If Russia tried to influence our election

archives said:
So what do you think should be the consequences if a candidate or his staff is documented as meeting with the Russians, Chinese, Israelis, or Saudis with the intent of getting help from those parties in the elections?

From what the right is telling us, it would be just "opposition research," so no big deal
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archives said:
Doesn't matter if they had an immediate impact, the fact remains the leaders of the Trump campaign eagerly met with the Russians with the sole intent to get their help for their candidate. Last I knew, Russia wasn't an ally of the US, actually, the exact opposite, it can't be easily dismissed as just "opposition research," you don't invite enemies into your election
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archives said:
What the hell are you talking about?

Russia did orchestra an espionage effort to interfere in our 2016 election, fact, and they also did it to assist one candidate, fact

If that Russian effort was sucessful is debatable, but they did do it, and one campaign eagerly met directly with those Russians with the plans to aquire Russian aid in the election, another fact

Now Trumpkins can attempt to overlook that as merely "opposition research," but traditionally seeking aid from a outside nation who historically is antagonistic toward the US was not acceptable under any circumstances, in fact, it was only a short time ago your side would have labeled it "unAmerican
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You lie again, shocking.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...russians-accused-election-meddling/602319002/
 
CosmicRocker said:
Russiaphobic garbage. Hillary hired a bunch of Russians thru 3rd parties.
Unless there was more -both are opposition research, no matter how ominous and "unAmerican"
drama you want to impugn
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Hardly "garbage," well, unless you think wanting and looking for a foreign nation who is antagonistic to the US being involved in our elections is a good thing

And Hillary never hired any Russians, and bigger yet, no one from her campaign sat down in a meeting with Russians looking for help in their efforts, that distinction belongs solely with the Trump leadership

As I've noted earlier, only a few years ago, actually prior to 2016, conservatives would be screaming that "opposition research" was unAmerican
 
Heff said:
FBI Director James Comey himself said the dossier was one of the sources of information the bureau has used to bolster its investigation, including for approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor the communications of Carter Page.

But no, it's nothing, right?
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Obviously you didn't read the actual primary source I provided but chose imstead to continue with what others have told you about it, so what's the sense, if I wanted what you are regurgitating I'd turn on the radio
 
Wolverine said:
Hmmmm?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded Tuesday.

Some $350,000 was sent to OneVoice, ostensibly to support the group’s efforts to back Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement negotiations. But OneVoice used the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm with ties to President Obama’s campaign — all of which set the stage for an anti-Netanyahu campaign, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.

In one stunning finding, the subcommittee said OneVoice even told the State Department’s top diplomat in Jerusalem of its plans in an email, but the official, Consul General Michael Ratney, claims never to have seen them.

He said he regularly deleted emails with large attachments — a striking violation of open-records laws for a department already reeling from former Secretary Hillary Clinton’s handling of official government records.
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So, what does any of that have to do with Trump campaign leaders sitting down with Russians looking for help in their campaign?
 
Superfreak said:
So the Clinton campaign and the DNC employing a foreign operative in the UK who in turn worked with operatives in Russia is OK? Is it because they put a middle man in there?
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Got the facts wrong, her campaign hired someone who hired someone who hired someone who supposedly talked to Russians, not quite the same as sitting down in the US with Russians hoping to get help in their campaign
 
archives said:
Hardly "garbage," well, unless you think wanting and looking for a foreign nation who is antagonistic to the US being involved in our elections is a good thing

And Hillary never hired any Russians, and bigger yet, no one from her campaign sat down in a meeting with Russians looking for help in their efforts, that distinction belongs solely with the Trump leadership

As I've noted earlier, only a few years ago, actually prior to 2016, conservatives would be screaming that "opposition research" was unAmerican
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broken record garbage..you need to stop clinging to collusion - you exonerate Hillary and her opposition research
( which led to fake FISAs and Steele dossier Russiaphobia) but try to paint one meeting that
NEVER EVEN GOT OPPOSITION RESEARCH as some kind of evil unamerican claptrap
 
archives said:
Got the facts wrong, her campaign hired someone who hired someone who hired someone who supposedly talked to Russians, not quite the same as sitting down in the US with Russians hoping to get help in their campaign
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same fucking thing -her's was worse considering all the fallout from the Steele dossier but it's the same thing
 
countryboy said:
You lie again, shocking.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...russians-accused-election-meddling/602319002/
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Always love it when a Trumpkin thinks they have a "gotcha" and their not even close

Two things, first, which candidate was out there promoting fear over race and immigration? And if I wanted to appeal to that candidate's base what would I be demagoguing as an issue? Health care? There was a reason Manaford supplied polling data to the Russians

And more important, as I've said at least a half of dozen times in this thread, if the Russian effort was effective is debatable, but they did do it, and only one campaign eagerly met directly with those Russians with the plans to aquire Russian aid in the election
 
CosmicRocker said:
broken record garbage..you need to stop clinging to collusion - you exonerate Hillary and her opposition research
( which led to fake FISAs and Steele dossier Russiaphobia) but try to paint one meeting that
NEVER EVEN GOT OPPOSITION RESEARCH as some kind of evil unamerican claptrap
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Never once here did I bring up the word "collusion," just the fact that it was the Trump campaign leadership that eagerly met with Russians to get help, and it wasn't just once, we have Manaford exchanging polling data and Georgie P, and as I've shown you in the primary source, you are totally wrong on your FISA dossier rant

And lastly, just to add another tidbit, which just reflects either your gullibility or inebriation on the kool aid, how do you know what they got at that Trump Tower meeting, the only source you have is Junior who was caught lying twice about the same meeting
 
archives said:
Always love it when a Trumpkin thinks they have a "gotcha" and their not even close

Two things, first, which candidate was out there promoting fear over race and immigration? And if I wanted to appeal to that candidate's base what would I be demagoguing as an issue? Health care? There was a reason Manaford supplied polling data to the Russians

And more important, as I've said at least a half of dozen times in this thread, if the Russian effort was effective is debatable, but they did do it, and only one campaign eagerly met directly with those Russians with the plans to aquire Russian aid in the election
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It's not a "gotcha", it's simply the facts. Are you going to claim USA Today is some kind of a right-wing hack site? Lie some more.
 
archives said:
Obviously you didn't read the actual primary source I provided but chose imstead to continue with what others have told you about it, so what's the sense, if I wanted what you are regurgitating I'd turn on the radio
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The over 400 page, heavily redacted document is the "primary source"? The source for that application is Steele (Source #1), and they used a Yahoo news article sourced from Steele to corroborate Steele's nonsense!
 
Heff said:
The over 400 page, heavily redacted document is the "primary source"? The source for that application is Steele (Source #1), and they used a Yahoo news article sourced from Steele to corroborate Steele's nonsense!
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Ah, yes, and all you got to do is skim the first sixty or so pages and the facts are exposed, the dossier isn't even mentioned till much later on, but I see you are drunk on the Hannity view so other than Sean telling you he is playing you to make a buck you will never be able to recognize the facts
 
Yurt said:
How much more influence are the DNC trolls having or have had?

Just look at one poster on JPP who post, virtually all lies:

Reagansghost
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What is your evidence that the DNC is paying him to spread misinformation? Disagreeing with him is not evidence.
 
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