If Russia tried to influence our election

[Jack]

So what do you think should be the consequences if a candidate or his staff is documented as meeting with the Russians, Chinese, Israelis, or Saudis with the intent of getting help from those parties in the elections?

From what the right is telling us, it would be just "opposition research," so no big deal

It's probably a fine line between actual 'colluding', and simple 'encouraging', of a Foreign Power to favor one Candidate over another.
I'd be more interested in the myriad of ways that these Foreign Powers have in manipulating people. Social Media has been pointed out, I wonder what other tactics have been used?
--->I'm sure the US is deep into affecting other countries elections<--- ... so let's not pretend we are Virgins here.

 

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Seems archives can’t read

“Earl” is a proper name, upper case required.

“No election results impacted.”

Last time, it does not matter if they had an impact, the fact remains the leaders of the Trump campaign eagerly met with the Russians with the sole intent to get their help for their candidate. Last I knew, Russia wasn't an ally of the US, actually, the exact opposite, it can't be easily dismissed as just "opposition research," you don't invite enemies into your election, as I said, before 2016, the right would have called that unAmerican

 

[Earl]

Rosenstein repeatedly emphasized that in this particular indictment, there is no allegation that these operatives had any effect on the outcome of the election. He also highlighted that Friday’s indictment does not allege that any American knowingly participated in the Russian operation.”

Case closed. Ya esta.


What part of this is confusing the snowflakes?

 

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It's probably a fine line between actual 'colluding', and simple 'encouraging', of a Foreign Power to favor one Candidate over another.
I'd be more interested in the myriad of ways that these Foreign Powers have in manipulating people. Social Media has been pointed out, I wonder what other tactics have been used?
--->I'm sure the US is deep into affecting other countries elections<--- ... so let's not pretend we are Virgins here.

I wouldn't say "encouraging," rather inviting them in

 

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Rosenstein repeatedly emphasized that in this particular indictment, there is no allegation that these operatives had any effect on the outcome of the election. He also highlighted that Friday’s indictment does not allege that any American knowingly participated in the Russian operation.”

Case closed. Ya esta.


What part of this is confusing the snowflakes?

Definitely last time, it does not matter if they had an impact, the fact remains the leaders of the Trump campaign eagerly met with the Russians with the sole intent to get their help for their candidate. Last I knew, Russia wasn't an ally of the US, actually, the exact opposite, it can't be easily dismissed as just "opposition research," you don't invite enemies into your election, as I said, before 2016, the right would have called that unAmerican

Can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him .............

 

[Earl]

Last time, it does not matter if they had an impact, the fact remains the leaders of the Trump campaign eagerly met with the Russians with the sole intent to get their help for their candidate. Last I knew, Russia wasn't an ally of the US, actually, the exact opposite, it can't be easily dismissed as just "opposition research," you don't invite enemies into your election, as I said, before 2016, the right would have called that unAmerican

I can’t help you further with your intentional obtuseness.

 

[Jack]

I wouldn't say "encouraging," rather inviting them in

Let's see The Mueller Report. We'll get to find out all the answers to our questions.

 

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Another one who can't spell.

Yes, Christopher Steele used sources within Russian intelligence to author his dodgy dossier, which was funded by the DNC. That's a fact. How does this fit into your little narrative?

"Can't spell" cause my fingers are too big for the device I am on, besides, I'm not that anal retentive

Two things, one, no one from the Clinton campaign ever sat down and met with Russians looking to get thier aid their help our elections, and second, the whole dossier thing is a Hannity fabrication, here, read the actual FICA applications the primary source, not what someone told you they were, and the dossier is a lesser player of any at all

https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-justice-department-releases-carter-page-fisa-application

Like that is going happen

 

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Let's see The Mueller Report. We'll get to find out all the answers to our questions.

Don't need the Mueller Report, Trump Tower meeting happened

 

[Heff]

Definitely last time, it does not matter if they had an impact, the fact remains the leaders of the Trump campaign eagerly met with the Russians with the sole intent to get their help for their candidate. Last I knew, Russia wasn't an ally of the US, actually, the exact opposite, it can't be easily dismissed as just "opposition research," you don't invite enemies into your election, as I said, before 2016, the right would have called that unAmerican

Can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him .............

Yet a document of Russian-sourced gossip, written by a former UK spy and funded by the DNC , made its way to the heart of the intelligence community and federal law enforcement, leading the press to report wild conspiracy theories, resulting in one of the biggest political investigations in American history influencing not only the 2016 but arguably the 2018 election.

How does that factor in to your accusations?

 

[Jack]

Don't need the Mueller Report, Trump Tower meeting happened

Now you sound like Barr.

I want to see the Mueller Report and try to understand all the moving parts and all the jigsaw pieces. Anybody can spin a bunch of conjecture any way they want. (Take that blowhard 'Truth Detector' for example)

 

[Jack]

If Russian whores were urinating on Trump, Republicans want to know. What if Trump got a blow job in the Kremlin? Where's Ken Starr when you need him???

Yet a document of Russian-sourced gossip, written by a former UK spy and funded by the DNC , made its way to the heart of the intelligence community and federal law enforcement, leading the press to report wild conspiracy theories, resulting in one of the biggest political investigations in American history influencing not only the 2016 but arguably the 2018 election.

How does that factor in to your accusations?

 

[dukkha]

Doesn't matter if they had an immediate impact, the fact remains the leaders of the Trump campaign eagerly met with the Russians with the sole intent to get their help for their candidate. Last I knew, Russia wasn't an ally of the US, actually, the exact opposite, it can't be easily dismissed as just "opposition research," you don't invite enemies into your election

Russiaphobic garbage. Hillary hired a bunch of Russians thru 3rd parties.
Unless there was more -both are opposition research, no matter how ominous and "unAmerican"
drama you want to impugn

 

[Heff]

"Can't spell" cause my fingers are too big for the device I am on, besides, I'm not that anal retentive

Two things, one, no one from the Clinton campaign ever sat down and met with Russians looking to get thier aid their help our elections, and second, the whole dossier thing is a Hannity fabrication, here, read the actual FICA applications the primary source, not what someone told you they were, and the dossier is a lesser player of any at all

https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-justice-department-releases-carter-page-fisa-application

Like that is going happen

FBI Director James Comey himself said the dossier was one of the sources of information the bureau has used to bolster its investigation, including for approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor the communications of Carter Page.

But no, it's nothing, right?

 

[Wolverine]

The Russians, Chinese, Israelis, and Saudis, all try to manipulate our Elections. We should all be aware of that and learn how to recognize it.

Hmmmm?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded Tuesday.

Some $350,000 was sent to OneVoice, ostensibly to support the group’s efforts to back Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement negotiations. But OneVoice used the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm with ties to President Obama’s campaign — all of which set the stage for an anti-Netanyahu campaign, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.

In one stunning finding, the subcommittee said OneVoice even told the State Department’s top diplomat in Jerusalem of its plans in an email, but the official, Consul General Michael Ratney, claims never to have seen them.

He said he regularly deleted emails with large attachments — a striking violation of open-records laws for a department already reeling from former Secretary Hillary Clinton’s handling of official government records.

 

[Superfreak]

What the hell are you talking about?

Russia did orchestra an espionage effort to interfere in our 2016 election, fact, and they also did it to assist one candidate, fact

If that Russian effort was sucessful is debatable, but they did do it, and one campaign eagerly met directly with those Russians with the plans to aquire Russian aid in the election, another fact

Now Trumpkins can attempt to overlook that as merely "opposition research," but traditionally seeking aid from a outside nation who historically is antagonistic toward the US was not acceptable under any circumstances, in fact, it was only a short time ago your side would have labeled it "unAmerican

So the Clinton campaign and the DNC employing a foreign operative in the UK who in turn worked with operatives in Russia is OK? Is it because they put a middle man in there?

 

[Jack]

If we do it to them, it would figure they (meaning Foreign Countries) would do it to us. Let's see the Mueller Report and see how Foreign Governments are trying to sway OUR Elections.

Hmmmm?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded Tuesday.

Some $350,000 was sent to OneVoice, ostensibly to support the group’s efforts to back Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement negotiations. But OneVoice used the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm with ties to President Obama’s campaign — all of which set the stage for an anti-Netanyahu campaign, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.

In one stunning finding, the subcommittee said OneVoice even told the State Department’s top diplomat in Jerusalem of its plans in an email, but the official, Consul General Michael Ratney, claims never to have seen them.

He said he regularly deleted emails with large attachments — a striking violation of open-records laws for a department already reeling from former Secretary Hillary Clinton’s handling of official government records.

 

[Truth Detector]

Kind of funny given a year ago the right had Rosenstein portrayed as a slimy, dishonest, rat who hated Trump, and now he is the pillar of credibility

Let's see, Rosenstein was appointed by Trump, he authored the letter Trump used to fire Comey, he works under Barr, and Barr, who is now telling us he is going to investigate the investigators, will be thusly examining Rosenstein. Did you think he would do anything to piss of Barr at this point?

Scarecrow uses a lot of lies and strawmen in his posts.

 

[Truth Detector]

Seems "earl" can't read;

If that Russian effort was sucessful is debatable, but they did do it, and one campaign eagerly met directly with those Russians with the plans to aquire Russian aid in the election, another fact

Now Trumpkins can attempt to overlook that as merely "opposition research," but traditionally seeking aid from a outside nation who historically is antagonistic toward the US was not acceptable under any circumstances, in fact, it was only a short time ago your side would have labeled it "unAmerican

Poor scarecrow; he has no brain, just strawmen and lies.

 

[Truth Detector]

Another one who seemingly refuses to accept facts, Russia is not a friend of the US, quite the opposite, they interfered in our election, and the top leaders of one of the candidates in that election eagerly met more than once with Russians looking to get Russian aid for thier candidate in our election.

As I keep saying, those that dismiss those facts today would have quickly labeled them unAmerican prior to 2016

Scarecrow gonna cry, while he lies.