If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[ZenMode]

Buzzword fallacy. Mantra 1a.

Electrons move at random.
No theory of science governs anything. Science isn't a 'discovery'.

Electrons move randomly. The Universe is unorganized (random).

"Electrons move randomly. The Universe is unorganized (random)."

Back to making up word definitions, I see.

 

[Into the Night]

Electrons move between energy levels by absorbing or emitting specific amounts of energy, usually as a photon (a particle of light). To jump to a higher level (excitation), they absorb energy exactly matching the gap; to fall back down (emission), they release that energy, creating light of a specific color/wavelength, a key part of an element's atomic spectrum. They don't "travel" through space but rather transition between probability clouds (orbitals), changing their wave shape as they change energy states.

Photons move randomly as well.
Electrons are matter. They move through space. The move randomly, like photons.

How it works:

Random numbers are just random numbers.

Excitation (Jumping Up):
An electron absorbs a photon (or other energy) with energy exactly equal to the difference between its current energy level and a higher one.
This absorption excites the electron, causing it to jump to a higher, less stable energy level (an "excited state").
Emission (Falling Down):
Electrons in excited states quickly fall back to lower energy levels, often the ground state (lowest level).
As they fall, they release the excess energy as a photon of light.
The energy, frequency, and wavelength of this emitted photon are unique to the energy difference between the levels, producing an element's characteristic spectral lines (like colors).

...and all this is random.

Quantum Jumps:
These transitions are often called "quantum leaps" or "jumps," but electrons don't physically move through the space in between.

They do. Electrons are mass.

Instead, their wave-like nature changes instantly from one orbital shape (probability cloud) to another, without passing through intermediate positions, notes West Texas A&M University.

They do. Electrons are mass.

Key Concepts:
Energy Levels: Electrons exist in specific, quantized energy shells (or orbitals).

An electron is not an orbital.

Quantized Energy: Only specific energy amounts are allowed, meaning electrons can only jump specific distances.

Electrons don't jump. They aren't sentient.

Spectroscopy: The specific wavelengths of light absorbed or emitted by an element reveal its unique energy level structure, notes Harper College.

...and again randomly.

 

[Into the Night]

"Electrons move randomly. The Universe is unorganized (random)."

Back to making up word definitions, I see.

You can't blame your problems on me, Void.

 

[ZenMode]

...and all this is random.

Learn what random means. Until then, stop wasting my time.

 

[PoliTalker]

IDK, but the results appear to be part of the dichotomic nature of the Universe.

Agreed the idea of god(s) and other spiritual matters are human perception. After all, how could intelligent apes ever hope to fully understand the power behind the creation of the entire Universe? We simply do the best we can.

Disagreed on thinking too much, but I think you and I can agree there's a difference between thinking and overthinking. Overthinking often falls into worrying and fretting about an infinite number of possible problems. This can cause brain-lock. The greatest fear of all is fear of the unknown since there are an infinite number of possibilities. Better, IMO, to pick out the biggest problems, prioritize them and move forward with a plan of action to resolve them.

Are You Overthinking? Here's How to Tell

Overthinking doesn't always lead to better solutions. Learn how to stop overthinking with tips for recognizing unhelpful thoughts and quieting your mind.

www.verywellmind.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wps.20910

FWIW, @Cypress and I have extensively discussed the subject of creation. He seems to favor an intelligent mind designing an a logical universe. I favor an infinite number of random universes, some of which are dead, others which die out shortly after birthing from their "Big Bang" and some which thrive and grow as ours is doing...for as long as it lasts. Our universe will eventually die. It's possible there are other universes with, due to their nature, will never die.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2939648?seq=2

Dichotomy Tests

Dichotomy Tests provides interesting tests that show you how inclined you are toward certain philosophical, psychological or political views. Each test tries to discover your preferred beliefs and will attempt to accurately position you along numerous dichotomic axes.

dichotomy-tests.pages.dev

It's a very good discussion. I'll leave it up to others and go my merry way with no expectation it will ever be a problem for me.

 

[Into the Night]

Learn what random means. Until then, stop wasting my time.

You can't blame your problems on me, Void.

 

[IBDaMann]

Can't imagine why you feel the need to have nested multiple negatives in a sentence

It's necessary. You might need to brush up on the logic a bit.

Someone who is an atheist does not affirmatively assert that there are any gods.
Someone who is an atheist does not affirmatively assert that there aren't any gods.
Someone who is an atheist simply does not affirmatively assert anything because he is lacking theistic beliefs.

Ross Dolan, aka Frank Apisa, is an atheist and he wants you to know it. Once you acknowledge that he is an atheist, he will then insist that he is not.

Here's what it means: you believe there are gods.

Nope. This is why he need's the nested multiple negatives. He doesn't believe there is a god and he doesn't believe that there are no gods.

 

[ZenMode]

Someone who is an atheist does not affirmatively assert that there are any gods.
Someone who is an atheist does not affirmatively assert that there aren't any gods.
Someone who is an atheist simply does not affirmatively assert anything because he is lacking theistic beliefs.

Uh, no....atheists, because of the "a" in front of theists, assert there are no gods.

It's the opposite of theists who assert there are gods.

 

[IBDaMann]

Uh, no....atheists, because of the "a" in front of theists, assert there are no gods.

Uh, no ... stick with your GED studies and read up on your Greek roots before you take your exam.

The "a" prefix means "lacking" or "doesn't have", ergo atheism means "lacking theism". Asserting that there are no gods is a theistic statement, which precludes atheism.

Keep me posted on how you do on your equivalency exam.

It's the opposite of theists who assert there are gods.

Incorrect. Unfortunately, you aren't at the necessary level of cognitive development for anyone to explain to you exactly how you misunderstand.

 

[IBDaMann]

Learn what random means. Until then, stop wasting my time.

Did you just imply that you somehow understand what random means? At the moment, you operate under the stupid misconception that randomness is designed, organized and engineered order. I'm telling you, that alone can prevent you from getting your GED.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Truly you aren't that stupid are you? Really?

It has everything, literally everything to do with the topic.

Again, the fact that you don't understand this is telling in the extreme.

Stick with simple stuff. This is way beyond you.

Yeah, try to pretend your reasoning is beyond what an opponent is capable of understanding. That is your only reasonable escape right now, because you see that you have been blown out of the water on this issue.

You are an "atheist" ONLY because you choose to use that designation. And the reason you choose that designation has to do with beliefs...not with lack of beliefs. The "lack of belief" nonsense is just something cowardly atheists have come up to bolster their pretentions that are what they are because of logic and science.

And I suspect that at this point you have come to realize this, but are not man enough...or ethical enough, to concede it.

When you grow up enough to do so, boy, get back to me. We can have a real discussion at that time.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Then you misunderstand my postion. I do not make such a claim.

You do make the claim that you "do not believe in any gods." Can you not even see that?

In any case, I certainly do. And I also make the claim that I do not believe there are no gods.

I make no claim whatsoever.

You make no coherent claims...I will grant that.

Can't imagine why you feel the need to have nested multiple negatives in a sentence except to make yourself feel like you are smart by constructing such a golem.

Well, then your imagination is no more developed than your intelligence.

Work on that.

It doesn't help your case. Especially in light of the first claim.

It makes eminent sense.

Here's what it means: you believe there are gods. Now compare that with claim #1 you made. (map out the negatives. You do NOT believe there are NO gods which means you believe there are gods. It's grammar.)

You do not understand grammar, which is bizarre since you are, in essence, claiming the same thing. Saying, "I do not believe 'x' is NOT the same as saying, "I believe 'not x'." YOU claim that saying "I do not believe in any gods" is NOT the same as saying, "I believe there are no gods."

And you are correct. One CAN "not believe" there are any gods and "not believe" there are no gods at the same time.

I do...and you claim you do.

It's grammar, Boy.

There are people who "believe" there is a GOD. I am not one of them. There also are people who "believe" there are no gods. I also am not one of them. You apparently claim you are neither of those groups either. If you are now claiming you are not, then answer these two questions:

a) Do you "believe" there are any gods?

b) Do you "believe" there are no gods?

No, you are right. They seem mutually exclusive.

Another incoherent comment on your part.

Yeah, you're a dumbass who mentally masturbates online.

Go back to playing with yourself, Son...and when you grow up, come back an we can have a reasonable discussion.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Uh, no....atheists, because of the "a" in front of theists, assert there are no gods.

It's the opposite of theists who assert there are gods.

No, Zen, that is not correct.

The word "atheist" came into the English language decades before the word "theist." So that is not how "atheist" came into being. Atheists at some point in the mid-20th century realized that they needed to pretend they were not arguing from a point of "belief"...so they invented that dynamic. They thought others were too stupid to see through their pretentions.

We weren't.

 

[ZenMode]

Uh, no ... stick with your GED studies and read up on your Greek roots before you take your exam.

The "a" prefix means "lacking" or "doesn't have", ergo atheism means "lacking theism". Asserting that there are no gods is a theistic statement, which precludes atheism.

Keep me posted on how you do on your equivalency exam.


Incorrect. Unfortunately, you aren't at the necessary level of cognitive development for anyone to explain to you exactly how you misunderstand.

the·ism
/ˈTHēˌizəm/
noun
belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

a·the·ism
/ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun

1. disbelief in the existence of God or gods.
   
   
   

If you don't believe in gods.....then you are asserting there are no gods....which is why you don't believe in them.

 

[ZenMode]

No, Zen, that is not correct.

The word "atheist" came into the English language decades before the word "theist." So that is not how "atheist" came into being. Atheists at some point in the mid-20th century realized that they needed to pretend they were not arguing from a point of "belief"...so they invented that dynamic. They thought others were too stupid to see through their pretentions.

We weren't.

This is the kind of irrelevant debate that @IBDaMann likes to have to avoid having an actual discussion about the topic.

Whether it's atheism or atheistic, the person is saying there are no gods.

If you don't believe in the existence of God's, then you are saying there are no gods. I would never say I don't believe in the existence of cows and then turn around and say I believe cows do exist.

 

[ZenMode]

Did you just imply that you somehow understand what random means? At the moment, you operate under the stupid misconception that randomness is designed, organized and engineered order. I'm telling you, that alone can prevent you from getting your GED.

I know what random means and what it doesn't mean. Something that was truly random would have no explanation for the behavior. We know why electrons change levels within an atom. It happens when certain conditions become true. That is not random.

I'm not going to be dragged into another one of your or @Into the Night dumb word games to try to distract from the topic.

Your lacks of understanding of what random means are not my issue.

 

[Ross Dolan]

This is the kind of irrelevant debate that @IBDaMann likes to have to avoid having an actual discussion about the topic.

I agree...which is why I have him on IGNORE.

Whether it's atheism or atheistic, the person is saying there are no gods.

Correct. Although the so-called explicit atheists try to pretend they are not saying that.

If you don't believe in the existence of God's, then you are saying there are no gods. I would never say I don't believe in the existence of cows and then turn around and say I believe cows do exist.

I don't entirely agree with this comment, Zen, but I understand what you are saying about people who choose to identify using the word "atheist."

 

[Cypress]

The Universe is unorganized.
The Universe is unorganized!

If the universe were unorganized we wouldn't even be doing science, dummy.

The primary assumptions underlying science are that the universe is intelligible and predictable, and we should expect to be able to find organization and predictability when we go looking for it.

 

[Margot]

If the universe were unorganized we wouldn't even be doing science, dummy.

The primary assumptions underlying science are that the universe is intelligible and predictable, and we should expect to be able to find organization and predictability when we go looking for it.

The universe is in order,except the Spirit of mankind

 

[Cypress]

Whether it's atheism or atheistic, the person is saying there are no gods.

Right, someone who believes or is convinced there are no gods.

Some internet trolls try to play the game that atheism holds no beliefs, they just hold a provisional state of disbelief because they haven't seen the evidence yet... as if they are just patiently waiting for more evidence to roll in, lol