If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Into the Night]

Right and with enough time, scientists would make the same observations, run the same experiments and come to the same conclusions/discoveries.

Science is not an observation or data. Science is not experiments. Science is not a 'discovery'.

This isn't only about Jesus.

It is now. You just mentioned Him.

If you got rid of the writings of any religion, and wipe the memories of it's believers, there is nothing in existence today that would lead anyone back to any specific religion.

Jesus Christ is not writings. God is not writings.

There is no reason today to "rediscover" the Christian/Jewish God, just as there's nothing today to rediscover Zeus.

Zeus has also been written about. What's the difference?

 

[Into the Night]

It's certainly possible that a god or gods might exist, but I think a belief in them is irrational because in the entire history of humanity, there has never been any evidence that any of them do exist.

Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

I suppose it's sort of like early theories about molecular structure. We couldn't see them until we could. Maybe the same is true of god. In the meantime, the entire concept of "god" is illogical to its core.

Denial of logic. You are now lock in paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

 

[Into the Night]

The only one triggered her is you. You have been foul-mouthed and intentionally insulting throughout this thread.

Most of the people starting threads about religion in this subforum are atheists.

The Church of No God is not atheism.

This thread was started by an atheist. If atheists start threads about religion is no one supposed to comment? Or just agree with what they said?

The Church of No God is not atheism.

My thread contributions recently to this religion subforum have been about atheist books, or about corruption and malfeasance committed by churches and Bible thumpers.

You have not shown or referenced any books about atheism.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

The story of Cain and Abel tells us the best way to live is by sacrificing the first born. That's a waste of resources to me.

that's old testament twaddle.

christianity goes by the new testament, and the golden rule is the core teaching.

judeo-christian isn't a thing.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

The most important question of all actually is: What is the true nature of the REALITY of existence? The questions "Is there at least one GOD?" and "What is/are its nature?...are merely pieces of it.

What is YOUR answer to the question you posed? Is there a God?...which I prefer posed as, Is there at least one GOD?

I disagree.

it is not the most important question.

 

[goat]

that's old testament twaddle.

christianity goes by the new testament, and the golden rule is the core teaching.

judeo-christian isn't a thing.

Authority favors Abel for his obedience and brand Cain a jealous sloth. That's the world we live in.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Authority favors Abel for his obedience and brand Cain a jealous sloth. That's the world we live in.

so you value the old testament.

not me.

i think its a bunch of tribal crap.

Jesus is the truth, and very CLEARLY a reaction to the tribalism and religious corruption of his time.

don't let judaizers tell you what to value in Christianity.

 

[ZenMode]

You can't go back in time.

So, you actually think I was saying someone would time travel and not that someone, in the future, would make the same scientific discoveries?

 

[ZenMode]

Science is not an observation or data. Science is not experiments. Science is not a 'discovery'.

Intentionally ignoring my point. Ignored

It is now. You just mentioned Him

Intentionally ignoring my point. Ignored

Jesus Christ is not writings. God is not writings.

Irrelevant. Ignored.

Zeus has also been written about. What's the difference?

No difference.

 

[goat]

so you value the old testament.

not me.

i think its a bunch of tribal crap.

Jesus is the truth, and very CLEARLY a reaction to the tribalism and religious corruption of his time.

don't let judaizers tell you what to value in Christianity.

The real world favors groupthink toadies without a moral compass. Anyone who doesn't get the jab is banished from society.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

The real world favors groupthink toadies without a moral compass. Anyone who doesn't get the jab is banished from society.

sometimes.

sometimes good wins the day.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

There is no fate, but what we make..... --- John Connor

 

[Into the Night]

So, you actually think I was saying someone would time travel and not that someone, in the future, would make the same scientific discoveries?

You can't go back in time, Void.
Science is not a 'discovery'.

 

[Into the Night]

Intentionally ignoring my point. Ignored

Intentionally ignoring my point. Ignored


Irrelevant. Ignored.

No difference.

You aren't making a point.

 

[ZenMode]

You can't go back in time, Void.
Science is not a 'discovery'.

Great. Lots more irrelevant words. Nice work.

 

[ZenMode]

You aren't making a point.

 

[Cypress]

morality is self interest for both parties.

I'm not interested in your attempt to turn morality into self-interest, reciprocity, and mutual advantage.

That's not morality.

Real, absolute, and objectively true morality has nothing to do with self interest or the expectation that you will be paid back in kind. Objective morality is selfless service and self-sacrifice without any expectation of reciprocity, of getting paid back, or of mutual advantage.

 

[Hume]

I'm not interested in your attempt to turn morality into self-interest, reciprocity, and mutual advantage.

Real, absolute, and objectively true morality has nothing to do with self interest or the expectation that you will be paid back in kind. Objective morality is selfless service and self-sacrifice without any expectation of reciprocity, of getting paid back, or of mutual advantage.

That is just religion. You are confusing morality and ethics with worship of god.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

I'm not interested in your attempt to turn morality into self-interest, reciprocity, and mutual advantage.

That's not morality.

Real, absolute, and objectively true morality has nothing to do with self interest or the expectation that you will be paid back in kind. Objective morality is selfless service and self-sacrifice without any expectation of reciprocity, of getting paid back, or of mutual advantage.

it's not my doing.

it is what it is.

you're just a moral idiot.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

I'm not interested in your attempt to turn morality into self-interest, reciprocity, and mutual advantage.

That's not morality.

Real, absolute, and objectively true morality has nothing to do with self interest or the expectation that you will be paid back in kind. Objective morality is selfless service and self-sacrifice without any expectation of reciprocity, of getting paid back, or of mutual advantage.

your twisted version is a lopsided relationship like an evil god who demands sacrifice.

Jesus was the LAST SACRIFICE.

reciprocity offends elitists in their very core.