If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

To clarify....

You believe that Noah built a cruise ship size boat,
Why not? Cruise ships are built today that are even larger.
collected all of the species of animals on earth,
Certainly in his area.
kept the predators from eating the prey for months upon months,
He didn't have to. Prey and predator lived together peacefully in the Garden of Eden. Why do you think God would not make that happen again?
while keeping all of them fed,
Why do you think God needed to feed them?
and then, once they were released, the predators waited for the prey to reproduce before eating them?

Do I have that right?
Why do you think God is limited?
 
Why not? Cruise ships are built today that are even larger.
They're built by hand, with not a single power tool?
Certainly in his area.
That's not what the Bible says.
He didn't have to. Prey and predator lived together peacefully in the Garden of Eden. Why do you think God would not make that happen again?
Really? What's is the predators eat to stay alive?
Why do you think God needed to feed them?
I didn't say he did. I said Noah did because, you know, animals can't live without eating.
 
You also seem to know a lot about what the writers of the Bible believed even though you've never talked to them...
It's what we know.

Genealogies don't determine Earth's age.
I think he meant Earth's genealogy, as in who Earth's mother and father are, who the grandparents are, etc.

Earth's age is unknown.
I thought it was what we know.

An expanse. The sky. So?
Well, it is rather expansive. You could park a jet airplane in it.

A "miracle". Evidence that Jesus truly IS the Son of God.
Not so fast. I saw that trick performed on a YouTube video.


"Miracles". Evidence of God being who he says he is.
I will grant that miracles definitely imply God or Climate or some other deity. Climate has an advantage, however, because I don't recall Yahweh ever performing any forcings or feedbacks ... just plain, vanilla miracles.
 
I disagree! Because 1000's of people agree with what they think Paul wrote that women shouldn't lead a Church! Many quit their Church if a women , becomes the leader,thinking they are doing what Jesus wants,because they assume Paul's words are Jesus's through Paul!
so princess needs a guarantee?

this is why.
 
And still horribly wrong.
That wasn't what you claimed. You insinuated the Bible said the Earth was 6000 years old. Lord Kelvin's estimate of 30 million years was a radical step forward given the techniques available at the time. Radiometric dating did not exist until the 1950s. You're welcome to make the case all humans and all scientists were idiots prior to 1955.
The calculation of the Earth's age is based on geneology, one of which claims to trace a blood line back to Adam and Eve. From that point, the math estimates are pretty easy.
The Bible says nothing about the age of the Earth. Some guy making interpretations is still just an interpretation.
You're running cover for ridiculous, anti-science claims of the Bible. Most Christians believe the Bible is literal BECAUSE it's sold as the Word of God.
The reason western civilization uniquely in the world developed the scientific method is because of monotheism. Christianity was the primary sponsor of science and scientific education for over a thousand years in the West. That's because of our particular brand of monotheism.

The Christian Bible is very legalistic, and for western natural philosophers it was not a big jump to go from a rational monotheistic moral law-giver, to a rational monotheistic natural law-giver. Christianity is premised on a rational personal creator that gave design and order to the moral and physical dimensions of the universe. Epistle to the Romans explicitly states that God is revealed in nature, aka God is revealed in the order and design of the universe.

^^ That backdrop is largely why experimental science and formal logic uniquely is rooted in the west. It didn't develop anywhere else. That Christian backdrop is a milieu that just begs for people to go looking for, and expect to find rational organization and natural laws.


That's why I do not get bent out of shape about religion and science. To some extent, they go hand in hand.
 
That wasn't what you claimed. You insinuated the Bible said the Earth was 6000 years old. Lord Kelvin's estimate of 30 million years was a radical step forward given the techniques available at the time. Radiometric dating did not exist until the 1950s. You're welcome to make the case all humans and all scientists were idiots prior to 1955.

The Bible says nothing about the age of the Earth. Some guy making interpretations is still just an interpretation.

The reason western civilization uniquely in the world developed the scientific method is because of monotheism. Christianity was the primary sponsor of science and scientific education for over a thousand years in the West. That's because of our particular brand of monotheism.

The Christian Bible is very legalistic, and for western natural philosophers it was not a big jump to go from a rational monotheistic moral law-giver, to a rational monotheistic natural law-giver. Christianity is premised on a rational personal creator that gave design and order to the moral and physical dimensions of the universe. Epistle to the Romans explicitly states that God is revealed in nature, aka God is revealed in the order and design of the universe.

^^ That backdrop is largely why experimental science and formal logic uniquely is rooted in the west. It didn't develop anywhere else. That Christian backdrop is a milieu that just begs for people to go looking for, and expect to find rational organization and natural laws.


That's why I do not get bent out of shape about religion and science. To some extent, they go hand in hand.
keep your religious war justifications in the peanut gallery, dumbass.
 
dumbest shit ever!
Capitalism, representative democracy, natural philosophy and science are virtually completely unique to the West, and to some significant extent it's wrapped up with the legacy of Christian monotheism and the Protestant reformation. The rest of the world smuggled in these western innovations. You can't take a surgical scalpel and try to separate Western history and culture from it's Christian legacy.
 
Capitalism, representative democracy, natural philosophy and science are virtually completely unique to the West, and to some significant extent it's wrapped up with the legacy of Christian monotheism and the Protestant reformation. The rest of the world smuggled in these western innovations. You can't take a surgical scalpel and try to separate Western history and culture from it's Christian legacy.
bullshit.

dumbest shit ever.
 
That wasn't what you claimed. You insinuated the Bible said the Earth was 6000 years old.
Indeed he did.
Lord Kelvin's estimate of 30 million years was a radical step forward given the techniques available at the time. Radiometric dating did not exist until the 1950s. You're welcome to make the case all humans and all scientists were idiots prior to 1955.
Eh. There are plenty of humans and scientists who are idiots NOW. Just take a look at ZenMode, for example.
The Bible says nothing about the age of the Earth.
Correct.
That's why I do not get bent out of shape about religion and science. To some extent, they go hand in hand.
I'd say so, in the sense that any theory that is falsifiable can be addressed by science and any theory that is unfalsifiable can be addressed by religion.
 
Indeed he did.

Eh. There are plenty of humans and scientists who are idiots NOW. Just take a look at ZenMode, for example.

Correct.

I'd say so, in the sense that any theory that is falsifiable can be addressed by science and any theory that is unfalsifiable can be addressed by religion.
The Bible is not a scientific or mathematical book.

Some people believe truth and knowledge only come from scientific experiments and mathematical equations.
In that case, they need to get to work burning existing copies of Shakespeare, Sophocles, Mark Twain - and even Disney's Lion King.

Most people learned by ninth grade that truth and knowledge can be found in story, mythology, parable, fable, poetry, allegory. That's why they had us read Shakespeare, Twain, Jane Austen, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Catcher in the Rye in high school and college.
 
That wasn't what you claimed. You insinuated the Bible said the Earth was 6000 years old.
By having a geneology that literally tracks back to the alleged first man and woman on Earth, and having a decent understanding of how long humans live, the Bible is making a statement about approximately how old the Earth has existed, even without specifically giving an age. If I say "This beach house has been in the family for 3 generations", you know it hasn't been in the family for 600 years, right?
The reason western civilization uniquely in the world developed the scientific method is because of monotheism. Christianity was the primary sponsor of science and scientific education for over a thousand years in the West. That's because of our particular brand of monotheism.
Irrelevant
The Christian Bible is very legalistic, and for western natural philosophers it was not a big jump to go from a rational monotheistic moral law-giver, to a rational monotheistic natural law-giver. Christianity is premised on a rational personal creator that gave design and order to the moral and physical dimensions of the universe. Epistle to the Romans explicitly states that God is revealed in nature, aka God is revealed in the order and design of the universe.
Yes, lots of people use the God of the Gaps approach to things they can't explain.
^^ That backdrop is largely why experimental science and formal logic uniquely is rooted in the west. It didn't develop anywhere else. That Christian backdrop is a milieu that just begs for people to go looking for, and expect to find rational organization and natural laws.
Ok, but irrelevant.
That's why I do not get bent out of shape about religion and science. To some extent, they go hand in hand.
Not really.
 
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