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  1. SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)
  2. SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)
  3. SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)
  4. SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)
  5. SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)
  6. SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)
  7. THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)
  8. SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)
  9. SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)
  10. SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we're going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)
  11. SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)
  12. SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)
  13. SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)
  14. SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they're happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they're happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)
  15. SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you'll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)
  16. SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)
    [*] SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won't have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)
    [*] SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)
    [*] SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)
    [*] SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President's promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)
    [*] SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)
    [*] SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)
    [*] SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)
    [*] SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the chairman's mark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That's a strong commitment. It's clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That's the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)
    [*] SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you'll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)
    [*] SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won't. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)
    [*] SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “…it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.”(Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)

The very same thing as these Democrats, only he would be called a liar.....
 
Bush, Bush, Bush...it's amusing that nobody on the left seems to want to talk about the present occupant of the Oval Office...unless it's to lie and deflect.
 
and I have yet to see any significant proof that Obama had foreseen the insurance companies marketing substandard policies after the passage of the ACA... what he said may, in fact, have turned out not to be true, but that, in and of itself, does not make it a LIE. It's only a lie when if he knew it was false when he uttered it... kinda like Bush reading the NIE's which all contained degrees of doubt concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's and then, after reading them, proclaiming that THERE IS NO DOUBT that Saddam had those very stockpiles. There are lies and there are statements which time shows to be inaccurate... there is a difference.
 
Thing1 said:
I assume you realize that Obama has been called a liar for making this promise?
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I do....and I assume you saw the Obama apoligist's on this board claim the insurance co.'s are to blame and Obama didn't lie at all....
For the most part, Obama has been whole heartedly defended by most Democrats in Congress until lately....

but the post was supposed to be a not so subtle dig at maineman.....just for laughs....I'm sure you understand.
 
maineman said:
and I have yet to see any significant proof that Obama had foreseen the insurance companies marketing substandard policies after the passage of the ACA... what he said may, in fact, have turned out not to be true, but that, in and of itself, does not make it a LIE. It's only a lie when if he knew it was false when he uttered it... kinda like Bush reading the NIE's which all contained degrees of doubt concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's and then, after reading them, proclaiming that THERE IS NO DOUBT that Saddam had those very stockpiles. There are lies and there are statements which time shows to be inaccurate... there is a difference.
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So your contention is that the insurance carriers fraudulently issued policies in the interim between passage of Obamacare and the January 1st 2014 cut-off date for policies that don't include maternity, mental health and pediatric coverage, even though those coverages weren't deemed legally necessary prior to that date?
 
NOVA said:
I do....and I assume you saw the Obama apoligist's on this board claim the insurance co.'s are to blame and Obama didn't lie at all....
For the most part, Obama has been whole heartedly defended by most Democrats in Congress until lately....

but the post was supposed to be a not so subtle dig at maineman.....just for laughs....I'm sure you understand.
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Seriously, though - you realize that you did the same for Bush for every single lie he has told, right?
 
NOVA said:
I do....and I assume you saw the Obama apoligist's on this board claim the insurance co.'s are to blame and Obama didn't lie at all....
For the most part, Obama has been whole heartedly defended by most Democrats in Congress until lately....

but the post was supposed to be a not so subtle dig at maineman.....just for laughs....I'm sure you understand.
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and if you could show that Obama KNEW what he said was false when he said it, then it would be a lie...

even so, his lie hasn't sent our country to war.... so he's got that goin' for him.
 
Ain't it funny how hard right wingnuts fight for war and against saving people's lives. Speaks volumes.
 
what percent of Americans cant keep their policy because of the ACA?


do you people even know?
 
Thing1 said:
Seriously, though - you realize that you did the same for Bush for every single lie he has told, right?
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Only one in particular, where he said the very same thing those Dems. had been saying for the last 6 years, at least....but they all get a pass....even though
they voted for the war, the war they were cheering for without actually saying the words....
 
Thing1 said:
No - but what's the difference? NOVA's post seems to imply some sort of double-standard. I don't remember Republicans turning out in droves to call Bush out for his lies.
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Be specific....the Republicans believed what Bush believed...in some cases, even quite a few Democrats did too....

the only alleged lie that made a big impact was about the WMD...and there is no doubt that thats debatable.

And holy shit....the double standard is no obvious in hundreds of cases and in so many ways, its not worth the trouble talking abou it.
 
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