ICE is about to start tracking license plates

sear said:
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I'm a licensed driver, so I have an opinion on a mileage tax.

BUT !!

Just as a perspective on fairness:
The reason a government revenue generator like a bridge toll makes sense is, the ones that USE the bridge PAY for the bridge.
That makes sense.
This is why a highway maintenance tax on automotive fuel makes sense.
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the only people who want that to make sense is those who want extra public services and taxes to pay for shit instead of limiting a governmental budget to the bare necessities. it's the reason why we have 80 year old tax rates on copper phone lines still.
 
"the only people who want that to make sense is those who want extra public services and taxes to pay for shit instead of limiting a governmental budget to the bare necessities. it's the reason why we have 80 year old tax rates on copper phone lines still." SY #22
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Why should a subsistence farmer that lives on a private road have to pay highway maintenance tax?

Shouldn't those that $PAY for it be the ones that $USE it?
 
sear said:
R #15

- dandy -

But where that is not available, it's academic.

And while I could drive to where it is available, the fuel consumed for that round trip would cost more than the tax saved by so doing.

Again, the mileage tax solves that problem too. And again, I'm not advocating it; merely observing that it could be more fair.
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It is fair.
Put in a tank and any company will deliver 100 gallons of tax free fuel at a time.
I burn diesel in my fishing boat and I don't pay road tax on it.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
how many hundreds of years should we wait to see it?.....
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your blind naivete to ignore obvious violations of the constitution and law by numerous law enforcement organizations around the country doesn't exonerate the obvious violations of the constitution and law by numerous law enforcement organizations. your refusal to accept obvious examples of violations of the constitution and law by said law enforcement organizations negates any possible debate or argument you could pose in their favor.
 
sear said:
PP #9

RH #5 isn't sure, so you have to answer for him?

If on per capita basis illegal aliens in the U.S. broke fewer laws than our countrymen, would he / you then love illegals? Or would you / he then merely hate your countrymen?
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they are largely from shithole countries, are poor, lowskilled, undereducated, and a money pit. they are also future democrat voters and takers
 
sear said:
Your question is an inquiry about what people usually say.
I can't attest to that.

However, on the proposition attributed to them:

The DACA Americans, the ones President Trump is going after so aggressively, even if technically illegal, are here through no fault of their own.
They were brought here as minors, many of whom were too young to have useful memory of the nations from which they were taken. Thus they are rather more victim than criminal. Therefore deporting them now, at or near adulthood, is to punish the victim; EVEN IN CASES WHERE SUCH INDIVIDUALS HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME.

Volumes could be written on this. Suffice it to say, for the political party, the Republican party that prides itself on being the party of family values, disrupting families this way is worse than merely being disruptive on personal level. It's destructive on a national level.
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if I was a teenager and my dad robbed a bank for millions of dollars and he bought me cars and we grew up in a baller mansion, that wouldn't preclude the government from eventually seizing all assets and having me end up in a homeless shelter just because I am a kid. I could even protest "hey but I am used to this lifestyle!" and it wouldn't make any difference.

You don't get to benefit from your parents criminal actions. Furthermore sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet and if we dont come down hard on these dreamer dipshits, we'll just get another batch down the line. better to nip all this off at the bud immediately.

that said I am ok with compromise if it ends chain migration and the diversity lottoery, but in theory I dont give a shit about the dipshit dreamers from their shithole countries.
 
Guest said:
ICE has no interest in US citizens unless they are engaged in crimes relating to immigration or customs enforcement.

The same technology is already has already been in use nationwide for years. Police and repossession agencies use it every day. Police dashcams and stationary readers on bridges and toll booths etc. are already tracking license plates and have been for years. The only "news" here is that now ICE has access to the data.

Also, ICE won’t upload new data to Vigilant’s system but simply scan through the data that’s already there. In practical terms, that means driving past a Vigilant-linked camera might flag a car to ICE, but driving past an ICE camera won’t flag a car to everyone else using the system. License plates on the hot list will expire after one year, and the system retains audit logs to trace back any abuse of the system.
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for now.
 
"they are largely from shithole countries, are poor, lowskilled, undereducated" RH #27
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“The New Colossus” by Emma Lazarus: appears on our "green lady in the harbor" our Statue of Liberty

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/AHYPERLINK "http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0874962.html"0874962HYPERLINK "http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0874962.html".html
"and a money pit." RH
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So you claim, noticeably free of substantiation.
You're welcome to post a valid assertion to that affect, from a valid source.
Good luck with that.
The bulk of what I've read of it, from a variety of sources is, among the total illegal alien population in the United States, they are not a net detriment, but a net benefit to our economy.
"they are also future democrat voters and takers" RH #27
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Who are your countrymen, the ones military vets have placed their life & limb at risk to serve. To protect.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
no, despite your fierce love of all things law enforcement, you have yet to see how it is used to oppress and intimidate even upstanding citizens.
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That's exactly what will happen too; wait for it.

It's kind of ironic, the same ppl screaming about illegals this and illegals that and the government needs to DOOOO SOMETHING are going to get exactly what they wished for. Hello, Police State.
 
I want the law enforced. Illegal aliens are being rounded up and deported. That's a good thing.

Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security quashed the use of this technology. I think I know why.
 
sear said:
Why should a subsistence farmer that lives on a private road have to pay highway maintenance tax?

Shouldn't those that $PAY for it be the ones that $USE it?
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the reason for the general welfare clause was to avoid classifying taxes only by those who use it. it was to keep taxation general and avoid the thousands of tax code crap we have today.
 
"I want the law enforced. Illegal aliens are being rounded up and deported. That's a good thing." G #33
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Your opinion is noted.
But based on the nature of your opinion expressed, I suspect it's an ignorant opinion.

How many aliens do you know?
How many illegal aliens have you established a relationship with? Gotten on first name basis with?

How many case histories have you studied?
"Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security quashed the use of this technology. I think I know why." G
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I'm not in the least surprised that you think you do.

I think you don't.

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sear said:
Who are your countrymen, the ones military vets have placed their life & limb at risk to serve. To protect.
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There are no excuses for anyone in the US Armed Forces to be an illegal immigrant.

https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/naturalization-through-military-service-fact-sheet

Trump will allow members of the military and their families a pathway to citizenship for their service.

“Today's service members are eligible for expedited citizenship under executive order and the military services have worked closely with the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to streamline citizenship processing for service members,” Lt. Col. Myles Caggins said. “Law ensures that the sacrifice of noncitizens during a time of national need is met with an opportunity for early citizenship, to recognize their contribution and sacrifice.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/03/trump-will-allow-immigrants-to-obtain-citizenship-through-military-service.html

If an illegal immigrant can't qualify for citizenship and become naturalized, they have to go back.
 
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