ICE agents committing assaults and other crimes

[IBDaMann]

What right do Federal officer on the roof of a building have to order people off a sidewalk?

Poorly worded question. The correct wording is "What authority do law enforcement officers have to control a situation?"

The answer is yes, they can order someone off of a particular portion of a sidewalk, for example. Am I the first person to teach you this?

Clearly it hit him.

I saw the dust. He was obviously fine. He should have followed instructions from law enforcement.

 

[IBDaMann]

He's now part of a lawsuit contending that ICE is violating the 1st amendment by intentionally targeting clergy and journalists.

That won't go anywhere.

Attacking people exercising the religious freedom seems to be something you would be against.

Disobeying lawful orders from law enforcement is not exercising religious freedom. Have you always sucked this much at logic?

Clearly no violence on the part of the protestors based on your standard from Jan 6.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

ICE agents forcing their way into a cemetery and attacking the cemetery workers.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPtEmAwgPRk&t=147s

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Chicago Police officers after they were tear gassed by ICE

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkWD9f-8EOw



Here is the declaration by Chicago Police in a lawsuit against ICE stating they do assist ICE for crowd control and talks about the incident where ICE tear gassed the police.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487574/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487574.63.3.pdf

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

This is what might be called "Contempt of cop." The officer tells the guy to step back. He gives the officer some shit about it being a public street. How hard is it to just step back?

This is the DHS use of force standards.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

The agent that grabbed the throat violated several provisions of the use of force standard.
They didn't attempt to deescalate.
They grabbed the throat which is prohibited.
They didn't try to avoid the situation.
They must identify themselves and issue a verbal warning.

 

[Libhater]

Trump has these people so bamboozled, they do not know up from down...left from right.

It is a shame that this has happened in our country.

Oh we know the the difference between the immoral violent-murdering anti American racist LEFT and the Pro American Christian RIGHT.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This is the DHS use of force standards.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

Okay

The agent that grabbed the throat violated several provisions of the use of force standard.

See III D 1, 2. The agent can attempt to use physical force to control a subject. There is nothing in that policy that prohibits grabbing the guy's throat.

They didn't attempt to deescalate.

See III D 2. There is no specific requirement for deescalation other than it should be attempted (III B).

They grabbed the throat which is prohibited.

Show the specific place in that policy where it is stated. Chokeholds and carotid holds are prohibited.

Chokehold

Carotid hold

Neither was applied.

They didn't try to avoid the situation.

See III D 2. Not required nor is it desired.

They must identify themselves and issue a verbal warning.

III E 1. "When feasible..." Aside from that, it was obvious he was a police officer / law enforcement officer so identification wasn't necessary in any case. We don't know what was said by either party, but it is pretty obvious from the actions and body language that the officer did issue a warning and verbal instructions the perp ignored.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Oh we know the the difference between the immoral violent-murdering anti American racist LEFT and the Pro American Christian RIGHT.

YOU don't know shit.

YOU are a hater...and proud of it. YOU even incorporate it into your screen name.

YOU wouldn't recognize morality if it bit you on the ass.

But that is your right...and don't let anyone tell you differently.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9AWsj4P8Eg


Here is the report by storyful news from X

https://twitter.com/x/status/1973965734540947699

View: https://x.com/bennetthaselton/status/1973965734540947699

Got a transcript of the verbal interaction in that. Note that the third officer (that pepper sprays her) comes up and says something to her. She responds. He puts his arm out towards here and she moves to either grab or block this movement. He pepper sprays her.

 

[IBDaMann]

[ video omitted ]

Your video-byte generates more questions than it answers.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Got a transcript of the verbal interaction in that. Note that the third officer (that pepper sprays her) comes up and says something to her. She responds. He puts his arm out towards here and she moves to either grab or block this movement. He pepper sprays her.

You are correct. The officer is in direct violation of DHS use of force polices.

In the event that a LEO issues such a warning, where feasible, the LEO should
afford the subject a reasonable opportunity to voluntarily comply before
applying force.

The officer gave the person no time to comply if he was issuing an order.

 

[IBDaMann]

[ video omitted ]

Your video-byte generates far more questions than it answers.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Your video-byte generates more questions than it answers.

I guess we will just leave your questions buried.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You are correct. The officer is in direct violation of DHS use of force polices.

Wrong. The officer came up, used verbal commands. She didn't listen. He tried to control things by using mild physical force (putting his hand out) to move her back. She grabbed his arm. He nuked her with pepper spray. Her action(s) got her sprayed.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Wrong. The officer came up, used verbal commands. She didn't listen. He tried to control things by using mild physical force (putting his hand out) to move her back. She grabbed his arm. He nuked her with pepper spray. Her action(s) got her sprayed.

Did the officer give her time to comply as required by DHS guidelines?

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

This story and video from local police shows ICE may be making bogus 911 calls.

Broadview police chief accuses ICE agents of making false 911 calls

Broadview Police Chief Thomas Mills said ICE agents are draining the resources of his department and the community by making false 911 calls.

www.cbsnews.com

sounds about as true as Long Covid.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

This is the DHS use of force standards.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

The agent that grabbed the throat violated several provisions of the use of force standard.
They didn't attempt to deescalate.
They grabbed the throat which is prohibited.
They didn't try to avoid the situation.
They must identify themselves and issue a verbal warning.

you're working pretty hard for nothing, dummy.

you people have lost the narrative forever due to lying for 10 years straight.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Wrong. The officer came up, used verbal commands. She didn't listen. He tried to control things by using mild physical force (putting his hand out) to move her back. She grabbed his arm. He nuked her with pepper spray. Her action(s) got her sprayed.

Now you are just making shit up that isn't in the video. How can she grab his arm when her hands are in front of her chest the entire time? How can the officer push her since he never touches her?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Did the officer give her time to comply as required by DHS guidelines?

Yes. How much time did she need to step back? Aside from that, under III D 2 there is no requirement to give her time to comply.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Yes. How much time did she need to step back? Aside from that, under III D 2 there is no requirement to give her time to comply.

OK. If you want to use III D 2 then you have to identify what the threat was. What reasonable officer would see her as a threat? Did she have a weapon? There were 5 officers there and she weighs maybe 120 pounds. Are ICE officers scared of their own shadows? Why were two officers peacefully talking to her if she was such a threat? Why did she suddenly become a threat when the third officer stepped forward?

They need to give reasonable time to step back if they ordered her to do so. Less than five seconds is not a reasonable time.