ICE agents committing assaults and other crimes

Poor Richard Saunders

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This thread is to document attacks by ICE agents that appear to not be in response to any threat.

Here is a video of a Priest standing less than 2' off a public sidewalk being shot in the head with a pepper ball while praying. There is clearly no threat and the sidewalk is public space.

This is the original video posted by the person that took it.
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Here is an ICE agent pointing a weapon at someone who is simply recording him.

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This thread is to document attacks by ICE agents that appear to not be in response to any threat.

Here is a video of a Priest standing less than 2' off a public sidewalk being shot in the head with a pepper ball while praying. There is clearly no threat and the sidewalk is public space.

This is the original video posted by the person that took it.
View: https://bsky.app/profile/mskellymhayes.bsky.social/post/3lzad2f5gnk2n
Prove that that shot was deliberate and not just due to the dispersion of the pepper ball between the smoothbore barrel of the launcher and where it landed.

What was said between her and the cops there just prior to being sprayed?

This is straight up assault because the person stood there. The agent is the only one making aggressive moves before attacking.

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This is what might be called "Contempt of cop." The officer tells the guy to step back. He gives the officer some shit about it being a public street. How hard is it to just step back?

Here is an ICE agent pointing a weapon at someone who is simply recording him.

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Needs far more context than the photo alone gives.
 
Prove that that shot was deliberate and not just due to the dispersion of the pepper ball between the smoothbore barrel of the launcher and where it landed.


What was said between her and the cops there just prior to being sprayed?


This is what might be called "Contempt of cop." The officer tells the guy to step back. He gives the officer some shit about it being a public street. How hard is it to just step back?


Needs far more context than the photo alone gives.
TA...what is wrong with you?

How can you excuse the kind of shit this asshole is throwing at our nation and its citizens?
 
Prove that that shot was deliberate and not just due to the dispersion of the pepper ball between the smoothbore barrel of the launcher and where it landed.
So your contention is that ICE agents on the roof of a building are free to shoot pepper balls at people on a sidewalk just because they want to?
What was said between her and the cops there just prior to being sprayed?
Oh, those horrible words. Officers are supposed to be trained to not react to "words."
This is what might be called "Contempt of cop." The officer tells the guy to step back. He gives the officer some shit about it being a public street. How hard is it to just step back?
Contempt of cop is not a license to attack someone and grab their throat before throwing them headfirst onto a concrete sidewalk. Again. It was the Fed officer that moved forward to instigate the action rather than trying to deescalate. A local officer would be disciplined for the stupidity of that Fed officer.
Needs far more context than the photo alone gives.
What context? Is it proper to point a weapon at someone that is filming you if you are a federal officer? If properly used a pepper ball gun would NEVER be pointed at anyone since it is NOT to be fired directly at a person.
 

Pastor shot in the head by ICE agents sues Trump administration over First Amendment threats in Chicago​


A Presbyterian minister in Chicago is suing Donald Trump’s administration after Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were captured in viral video firing pepper balls at his head during protests against the president’s anti-immigration agenda.

The Rev. David Black joined a lawsuit with Chicago reporters and protesters accusing the administration of unconstitutional threats to their First Amendment rights and religious freedoms with “a pattern of extreme brutality” designed to “silence the press and civilians.”

 
TA...what is wrong with you?

How can you excuse the kind of shit this asshole is throwing at our nation and its citizens?
How can you accept accounts from who knows who, but people obviously opposed to ICE and removal of criminal aliens, that make ICE and police out to be the bad guys in every case?

Question: What kind of "shit this asshole is throwing at our nation and its citizens" do you mean? Could you give say two or three examples?
 
So your contention is that ICE agents on the roof of a building are free to shoot pepper balls at people on a sidewalk just because they want to?

I am contending that we:

1. Don't know or see the full picture of what was going on there. It is likely that the guy was told to get off the sidewalk and didn't.
2. That the shot was far more likely random in its strike location than intentional even though it is almost certain that it was aimed at the guy on the sidewalk.
3. That since the officer fired a single pepper ball, the intention was to get the guy to move away. Had the officer been just gratuitously shooting this person I'd think he'd fire multiple shots instead.
Oh, those horrible words. Officers are supposed to be trained to not react to "words."

Depends on the words. A threat is a threat.
Contempt of cop is not a license to attack someone and grab their throat before throwing them headfirst onto a concrete sidewalk. Again. It was the Fed officer that moved forward to instigate the action rather than trying to deescalate. A local officer would be disciplined for the stupidity of that Fed officer.

Contempt of cop is a common cause to end up arrested and charged because you refuse to do even the most reasonable things when asked to do so. That guy wouldn't move back and claimed he had a right to be where he was--in the officer's face talking smack. The cop asked him to move back. The cop obviously started to take steps to use force. The guy refused to listen or yield.
The protester didn't try in the least to deescalate the situation. Instead, he escalated it and then paid the price for that.
What context? Is it proper to point a weapon at someone that is filming you if you are a federal officer? If properly used a pepper ball gun would NEVER be pointed at anyone since it is NOT to be fired directly at a person.
I have no idea what the officer is pointing his weapon at, and neither do you. Taking the word of someone who is anti-police and anti-ICE by their admission is pretty thin stuff on that.
As for use of pepper ball guns: Federal policy is to aim at the specific person you want to use the pepper balls on and aim center mass at their upper chest. You can fire one or multiple balls at that location to stop the action. Yes, I've had that training. The idea is not to hit them in the face or head but let the pepper powder release where it sprays their face, thus fire into the upper chest. Firing at the ground or something nearby defeats the whole purpose of that less-than-lethal weapon as the amount of pepper powder released is very small.
 
How can you accept accounts from who knows who, but people obviously opposed to ICE and removal of criminal aliens, that make ICE and police out to be the bad guys in every case?

Question: What kind of "shit this asshole is throwing at our nation and its citizens" do you mean? Could you give say two or three examples?
I can, but I won't.

If you cannot see what kind of shit this piece of shit is throwing at our nation and its citizens...it is because you do not want to see it.

If your side wins, you lose...as we all do. If our side wins, you lose. Great situation you guys have set up for yourselves.
 
So your contention is that ICE agents on the roof of a building are free to shoot pepper balls at people on a sidewalk just because they want to?

Oh, those horrible words. Officers are supposed to be trained to not react to "words."

Contempt of cop is not a license to attack someone and grab their throat before throwing them headfirst onto a concrete sidewalk. Again. It was the Fed officer that moved forward to instigate the action rather than trying to deescalate. A local officer would be disciplined for the stupidity of that Fed officer.

What context? Is it proper to point a weapon at someone that is filming you if you are a federal officer? If properly used a pepper ball gun would NEVER be pointed at anyone since it is NOT to be fired directly at a person.
Trump has these people so bamboozled, they do not know up from down...left from right.

It is a shame that this has happened in our country.
 
Here is a video of a Priest standing less than 2' off a public sidewalk being shot in the head with a pepper ball while praying.
1. He wasn't praying.
2. He wasn't harmed, just embarrassed.
3. I'm finding it very difficult to generate sympathy for the (probably isn't even a) priest. He looks like a whining crybaby.

There is clearly no threat and the sidewalk is public space.
There is clearly no injury to the man, just embarrassment, yet he sure can run his yap. That guy is annoying. For some reason, it was rather satisfying to see him catch a little dust.
 
I am contending that we:

1. Don't know or see the full picture of what was going on there. It is likely that the guy was told to get off the sidewalk and didn't.
What right do Federal officer on the roof of a building have to order people off a sidewalk?
2. That the shot was far more likely random in its strike location than intentional even though it is almost certain that it was aimed at the guy on the sidewalk.
Clearly it hit him. I guess you are arguing it was negligence instead intentional. As to aiming for the guy on the sidewalk, that shows even more negligence on the part of the agents.
3. That since the officer fired a single pepper ball, the intention was to get the guy to move away. Had the officer been just gratuitously shooting this person I'd think he'd fire multiple shots instead.
He did fire multiple shots.
Depends on the words. A threat is a threat.
Except if you watch the complete video, there is no threat. The two agents are calmly standing there. The third agent moves forward with the mace and then two other agents pull the first two agents back just before the mace is sprayed. Clearly this was not a response to a threat but planned by people not on the front line.
Contempt of cop is a common cause to end up arrested and charged because you refuse to do even the most reasonable things when asked to do so. That guy wouldn't move back and claimed he had a right to be where he was--in the officer's face talking smack. The cop asked him to move back. The cop obviously started to take steps to use force. The guy refused to listen or yield.
The protester didn't try in the least to deescalate the situation. Instead, he escalated it and then paid the price for that.
It isn't the responsibility of the protestor to deescalate. It is required of the officer.
I have no idea what the officer is pointing his weapon at, and neither do you. Taking the word of someone who is anti-police and anti-ICE by their admission is pretty thin stuff on that.
it's pretty clear he is pointing it almost at the camera. Unless of course the protestor had some magic camera that was nowhere near them.
As for use of pepper ball guns: Federal policy is to aim at the specific person you want to use the pepper balls on and aim center mass at their upper chest. You can fire one or multiple balls at that location to stop the action. Yes, I've had that training. The idea is not to hit them in the face or head but let the pepper powder release where it sprays their face, thus fire into the upper chest. Firing at the ground or something nearby defeats the whole purpose of that less-than-lethal weapon as the amount of pepper powder released is very small.
Now you just contradicted your own excuse for the shooting of the Priest. Is proper procedure to shoot at center mass or do you shoot down at their heads from a higher ground? Or do you just shoot at the ground around them?
 
1. He wasn't praying.
2. He wasn't harmed, just embarrassed.
3. I'm finding it very difficult to generate sympathy for the (probably isn't even a) priest. He looks like a whining crybaby.
He's now part of a lawsuit contending that ICE is violating the 1st amendment by intentionally targeting clergy and journalists. Attacking people exercising the religious freedom seems to be something you would be against.
There is clearly no injury to the man, just embarrassment, yet he sure can run his yap. That guy is annoying. For some reason, it was rather satisfying to see him catch a little dust.
Clearly no violence on the part of the protestors based on your standard from Jan 6.
 
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