I thought Conservatives just LOVED the Constitution?

[Bfgrn]

Superfreak: Again moron.... Libertarians are the ones that want the people to have the most power. Not liberals.

So tell me Einstein, WHAT did our founding fathers create...? What vehicle did they choose to empower the 'people'?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Superfreak: Liberals are the ones, as I stated and you ignored, that want the GOVERNMENT to control more and the people to control less. Hence the attempted take over of Health care, past creations such as medicare, medicaid, social security, department of education, department of transportation etc.... while some of these are good endeavors, they are ALL examples of the GOVERNMENT controlling more and the people LESS. That is NOT how the founders governed.

You yourself are suggesting the government take more power and dictate what is said over the airwaves. HOW is that leaving it up to the people?

WHO is government, according to our founding fathers?

governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed



Superfreak: Show us where you are getting the notion that libertarians share that belief system. Show us an example of a libertarian stating anything of the sort. You have to be getting your beliefs regarding libertarians from some source given your adamant 'knowledge' of libertarians. Share with us where you are getting your information on libertarians.

From a bunch of people who call themselves 'libertarians' and spew nothing but right wing rhetoric and exhibit total blindness to the takeover of our government by corporations, Wall Street bankers, lobbyists and special interests.

Superfreak: No the government intervened long ago in health care, pushing for HMO's etc. Pushing for CORPORATE plans that guaranteed coverage. In the 1950's and early 60's, people paid for their own insurance. It was relatively cheap because it just covered catastrophic care. They then paid out of pocket for annual checkups and routine care.

Fairy tales fantasy... In the 50's and 60's EVERYTHING cost a lot less. Only government takes the blame? SO...all those corporations and CEO's are just VICTIMS...see what I mean faux libertarian???

Superfreak: Side note moron.... Wall Street does not control health care. Though I would be interested to see where you got that information as well.

From a 20 year executive at CIGNA, one of the largest insurance cartels in America...

I DOUBT you will watch it...

Profits before patients

 

[Phantasmal]

this is what families are for. the elderly live with their children when they can't care for themselves. as a last resort, there would be private charities and organizations to help.

What if they have no family? I know quite a few people my age who have no children and I shudder to think what they would do without Social Security.

Do you really think the charities will have the means to take care of everyone if we do away with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaide? Our local food bank is hurting for donations now, and are covering more families than ever before, do you really thing organizations will be able to take on the poor?

 

[Phantasmal]

Is there a problem? If so, is government the only option? If so what is the MINIMAL amount of government regulation/intervention needed to correct the problem?

The above is a simple view of the libertarian mindset.

I am asking you, as a Libertarian, what you plan is for these people. You drop the role of government, what will take its place? You have this very large population of people who need help. What is your plan if it isn't government?

 

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Superfreak: Again moron.... Libertarians are the ones that want the people to have the most power. Not liberals.

So tell me Einstein, WHAT did our founding fathers create...? What vehicle did they choose to empower the 'people'?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Superfreak: Liberals are the ones, as I stated and you ignored, that want the GOVERNMENT to control more and the people to control less. Hence the attempted take over of Health care, past creations such as medicare, medicaid, social security, department of education, department of transportation etc.... while some of these are good endeavors, they are ALL examples of the GOVERNMENT controlling more and the people LESS. That is NOT how the founders governed.

You yourself are suggesting the government take more power and dictate what is said over the airwaves. HOW is that leaving it up to the people?

WHO is government, according to our founding fathers?

governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed



Superfreak: Show us where you are getting the notion that libertarians share that belief system. Show us an example of a libertarian stating anything of the sort. You have to be getting your beliefs regarding libertarians from some source given your adamant 'knowledge' of libertarians. Share with us where you are getting your information on libertarians.

From a bunch of people who call themselves 'libertarians' and spew nothing but right wing rhetoric and exhibit total blindness to the takeover of our government by corporations, Wall Street bankers, lobbyists and special interests.

Superfreak: No the government intervened long ago in health care, pushing for HMO's etc. Pushing for CORPORATE plans that guaranteed coverage. In the 1950's and early 60's, people paid for their own insurance. It was relatively cheap because it just covered catastrophic care. They then paid out of pocket for annual checkups and routine care.

Fairy tales fantasy... In the 50's and 60's EVERYTHING cost a lot less. Only government takes the blame? SO...all those corporations and CEO's are just VICTIMS...see what I mean faux libertarian???

Superfreak: Side note moron.... Wall Street does not control health care. Though I would be interested to see where you got that information as well.

From a 20 year executive at CIGNA, one of the largest insurance cartels in America...

I DOUBT you will watch it...

Profits before patients

first... when you change colors of fonts, please don't use navy as it is impossible to read on a black background.

If you don't know how to use quote boxes:

Use [quote (with an end bracket) at the start of the quote. Use [/quote (again with an end bracket) at the end of the quote.

 

[Bfgrn]

first... when you change colors of fonts, please don't use navy as it is impossible to read on a black background.

If you don't know how to use quote boxes:

Use [quote (with an end bracket) at the start of the quote. Use [/quote (again with an end bracket) at the end of the quote.

FIRST...don't chop up my posts with quote boxes...REPLY to my post with sentences and paragraphs at the END of my sentences and paragraphs.

 

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What if they have no family? I know quite a few people my age who have no children and I shudder to think what they would do without Social Security.

Do you really think the charities will have the means to take care of everyone if we do away with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaide? Our local food bank is hurting for donations now, and are covering more families than ever before, do you really thing organizations will be able to take on the poor?

Rana, try to understand and comprehend the libertarian process.

If there is a problem, you solve what you can outside of the government. As he stated, some elderly could live with children. After that charities and private foundations etc... THEN if any still remained you would have the government step in. THAT is the minimal use of government.

Also... you are looking at donations to food banks in light of the fact that people are paying insane amounts for health care and paying into the SS system. Put that money back in the hands of the people and there would be more money for charitable giving. Again, let the government then take care of those who slip through rather than providing blanket coverage for everyone.

 

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FIRST...don't chop up my posts with quote boxes...REPLY to my post with sentences and paragraphs at the END of my sentences and paragraphs.

It is a common way to address specific points. It in no way hurts your ability to respond as if you quote my posts, the only thing quoted is my response. Just like it would be if the entire response was located at the end of one of your nonsensical paragraphs where you are yet again pretending to know what libertarians stand for. Yet to date, you have not provided ANYTHING to justify your position other than 'well, you see I know libertarians and this is how they are'.

Bottom line, you are a complete fucking moron on this topic. You have no clue what a libertarian is and you refuse to listen to anyone who is trying to educate you on the matter.

 

[zappasguitar]

Let's review all the ways the Yurturd is wrong...

Stations REGULARLY run programming that isn't listened to by anyone at the station. They can do this thanks to our friend the computer and before it, Automation equipment that listened only for a sub-sonic Auxilliary tone to switch from one source to another.

IF...and that's a big IF...If the station can afford to pay someone to sit and do nothing while monitoring what gets broadcast, that person listens ONLY for SILENCE. He/she doesn't monitor every single word of every program they broadcast, only for silence, which indicates something is wrong.

PRE-Recorded audio recorded somewhere other than the station itself is checked BEFOREHAND so the station knows for sure BEFORE IT IS BROADCAST that there is nothing wrong with the audio.

The bottom line is station employees are far too busy doing their jobs to stand around listening to every word of every program...despite what Yurt and his EXTENSIVE background in broadcasting will tell you.

right here

Stations REGULARLY run programming that isn't listened to by anyone at the station.

Oh that's good...The Yurtard and his couple semesters of college radio are going to cherry pick and take certain comments out of context to try and support your totally baseless claim.

So we can see from my complete post that what I REALLY SAID was that BY THE TIME A PRE-RECORDED PROGRAM IS PLAYED AT A STATION, it has already been checked and doesn't need to be monitored word for word.

Live programming is run on a 7 second delay , so only the show's producer and board op...AT THE STATION OF ORIGIN have to listen...it's that simple. No one down the line has to listen.

A pity Yurtard is so pig headed he can't admit he's been proven wrong yet again.

 

[Phantasmal]

Rana, try to understand and comprehend the libertarian process.

If there is a problem, you solve what you can outside of the government. As he stated, some elderly could live with children. After that charities and private foundations etc... THEN if any still remained you would have the government step in. THAT is the minimal use of government.

Also... you are looking at donations to food banks in light of the fact that people are paying insane amounts for health care and paying into the SS system. Put that money back in the hands of the people and there would be more money for charitable giving. Again, let the government then take care of those who slip through rather than providing blanket coverage for everyone.

So, let me get this straight, then, you could not do away with Social Security, Medicaide and Medicare, but only those people who could prove they were destitute and had no other options would get help from the government?

Giving people more money in their pockets would cure the ills of society, with more money people would automatically give more to charities.

Seems very unrealistic and simplistic to me.

 

[zappasguitar]

Show me where I claimed radio stations allow pre-recorded or live statements on the air without knowing what's been said.

I CLEARLY stated in my prior post: "PRE-Recorded audio recorded somewhere other than the station itself is checked BEFOREHAND so the station knows for sure BEFORE IT IS BROADCAST that there is nothing wrong with the audio."

Keep pitching that tantrum and showing everyone just how stupid you truly are...this is fun!

have you ever called into talk radio? live? yes or no.

and someone from THEIR station would in fact check it out, to claim they would not is utter rubbish. they could be sued if they just let anything go on the air. to claim a station just lets any content on without checking the content is so ludicrous i'm just laughing at you. you claimed someone from the station doesn't listen to it. now you're changing your stance, slightly, but ever so moving the goal posts because you know you're wrong.

Of course I've called in...even got to humiliate Mike Gallagher on the air once or twice.

When you call Rush...you're calling the studio where Rush is, not your local station, you do get that, right?

So the ONLY PERSON who has to monitor who and what gets to and past Rush is Rush's producer...NOBODY at your local station has to listen.

 

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have you ever called into talk radio? live? yes or no.

zappa has avoided this question like the plague...why? because he knows to answer it will prove him wrong. so he stupidly tries to split hairs on his incorrect comment about stations and make his font all big and stuff as if that will show he is right....

unfortunately, his inability to answer this simple question actually shows i'm right. if anyone has ever called into talk radio, which is what we are talking about with the fairness doctrine, they know that they ask you to turn your radio off because it interferes with their broadcast of the show at the station

 

[Bonestorm]

So, let me get this straight, then, you could not do away with Social Security, Medicaide and Medicare, but only those people who could prove they were destitute and had no other options would get help from the government?

Giving people more money in their pockets would cure the ills of society, with more money people would automatically give more to charities.

Seems very unrealistic and simplistic to me.

Of course, you'd also have to do away with the tax deductions for charitable contributions because that's the libertarian thing to do and just hope that rich people increase their charitable contributions out of the goodness of their hearts. Good luck with that.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

What if they have no family? I know quite a few people my age who have no children and I shudder to think what they would do without Social Security.

Do you really think the charities will have the means to take care of everyone if we do away with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaide? Our local food bank is hurting for donations now, and are covering more families than ever before, do you really thing organizations will be able to take on the poor?

take a guess what entity is responsible for the hardships people are facing that is making it difficult to donate to things like food banks. (hint. it's not private entities)

 

[Bfgrn]

It is a common way to address specific points. It in no way hurts your ability to respond as if you quote my posts, the only thing quoted is my response. Just like it would be if the entire response was located at the end of one of your nonsensical paragraphs where you are yet again pretending to know what libertarians stand for. Yet to date, you have not provided ANYTHING to justify your position other than 'well, you see I know libertarians and this is how they are'.

Bottom line, you are a complete fucking moron on this topic. You have no clue what a libertarian is and you refuse to listen to anyone who is trying to educate you on the matter.

Listen you little fucking ignorant asshole...I just DID hear an example of your 'libertarian' bullshit. The debate over Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid were made years ago. MILLIONS of Americans lives were bettered and even saved by those programs...charity and family existed BEFORE those programs...it FAILED.

You right wing zealots who CALL yourselves 'libertarians' want to castrate government and remove the founder's intent FOR government. You SAY you want to turn it over to private entities...that is NOT what our founding fathers did. What you are really saying is you refuse to participate in a civil society. You will garner all the benefits of living in this country...just don't ask you to take any responsibility or PAY anything for those benefits. If people die, or are harmed, you slimy cocksuckers can feel you are still a decent human being...you try to turn narcissism into some virtue...it's NOT.


"The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482

 

[Phantasmal]

take a guess what entity is responsible for the hardships people are facing that is making it difficult to donate to things like food banks. (hint. it's not private entities)

Well, I think it is the hoarding, and class oppression, but I am sure you don't agree.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Listen you little fucking ignorant asshole...I just DID hear an example of your 'libertarian' bullshit. The debate over Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid were made years ago. MILLIONS of Americans lives were bettered and even saved by those programs...charity and family existed BEFORE those programs...it FAILED.

You right wing zealots who CALL yourselves 'libertarians' want to castrate government and remove the founder's intent FOR government. You SAY you want to turn it over to private entities...that is NOT what our founding fathers did. What you are really saying is you refuse to participate in a civil society. You will garner all the benefits of living in this country...just don't ask you to take any responsibility or PAY anything for those benefits. If people die, or are harmed, you slimy cocksuckers can feel you are still a decent human being...you try to turn narcissism into some virtue...it's NOT.


"The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482

your misinterpretation of the founders quotes is highly disturbing.

what do YOU think the founders created the government for?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well, I think it is the hoarding, and class oppression, but I am sure you don't agree.

there is some of that, for sure. they certainly don't help the situation at all, but hoarding isn't the term I would use.

as to class oppression, or class warfare if you prefer, don't be blinded by the koolaid in to thinking that the democrats or republicans are about making equal opportunity accessible to all the people. Those two groups, above just about all others, are for ensuring that there are two classes of people. Them and everyone else.

the bottom line is that governments excessive interference in private commerce is the main cause of hard times, with no positive outlook in things improving any time soon.

 

[Phantasmal]

there is some of that, for sure. they certainly don't help the situation at all, but hoarding isn't the term I would use.

as to class oppression, or class warfare if you prefer, don't be blinded by the koolaid in to thinking that the democrats or republicans are about making equal opportunity accessible to all the people. Those two groups, above just about all others, are for ensuring that there are two classes of people. Them and everyone else.

the bottom line is that governments excessive interference in private commerce is the main cause of hard times, with no positive outlook in things improving any time soon.

I hate both parties, and if you consider regulations, like safety, then I disagree, if you are talking about NAFTA and those things, then I agree.

 

[Bfgrn]

really? how do you feel about the 2nd Amendment?

I don't have a problem with citizens owning firearms for their protection. I do have a problem with nut-bags who believe the 2nd amendment is a license to have the same weaponry as the US Army, or is against any restrictions on killing power.

I strongly support a screening process where where killers like Jared Lee Loughner cannot get a 'legal' weapon.

 

[DamnYankee]

Of course I've called in...even got to humiliate Mike Gallagher on the air once or twice.

Why, because his call screener let through an ignorant blowhard?