I left part of my body in Iraq

[Nordberg]

I read that in Muslim countries they have girlie boys. Since they have a separation of men and women in their society, the gay type boys act like girls in dances and parties. When you separate men and women, you pervert the normal social relationships.
Religions kill science, knowledge and pevert normal relationships. The Arabs were far in advance of the rest of the world in science, math, astronomy and philosophy.. That is why we use Arabic numerals. Then Islam hit and dragged them back a few centuries. Christianity has done the same to us.
Avoid religions they are harmful to normal relationships and progress . Their thirst for power makes them dangerous and harmful.

 

[StoneByStone]

I see it more as cultural demographics. Democratic countries determine policies by broadly accepted preferences. Preferences change as the cultural makeup changes. Race sometimes corresponds with culture, but not always.

Sure, culture is a result of intersectionality. But because people generally self-segregate along racial lines, race plays among the bigger roles in political interests. Black people, including recent African immigrants whose ancestors weren't slaves, are more likely to support reparations. When a country is multiracial, most issues become racialized. Ethnicity and religion also contribute to culture, but we don't see issues becoming Catholic issues or Italian-American issues like we see them becoming black issues.

When looking at US Muslims, that includes a lot of black people that converted to Islam. Most of them probably are more liberal than the average Arab.

That's possible, but if so, then it still means Islam isn't causing much extremism.

How are blacks not American?

They don't see themselves as American, so they shouldn't be considered American. At most, I'd consider African-American to be an ethnicity, separate from American.

 

[Saudade]

Sure, culture is a result of intersectionality. But because people generally self-segregate along racial lines, race plays among the bigger roles in political interests. Black people, including recent African immigrants whose ancestors weren't slaves, are more likely to support reparations. When a country is multiracial, most issues become racialized. Ethnicity and religion also contribute to culture, but we don't see issues becoming Catholic issues or Italian-American issues like we see them becoming black issues.

That's possible, but if so, then it still means Islam isn't causing much extremism.

Well, it just means that the Americanized version of Islam that many black people follow is very different from Wahhabism.

They don't see themselves as American, so they shouldn't be considered American. At most, I'd consider African-American to be an ethnicity, separate from American.

I think that depends on the black person you talk to. I know plenty of black people that view themselves as just as much Americans as a lot of white people.

There are definitely black nationalists that view themselves as something separate from the American mainstream, but that doesn't seem to be the average black person.

 

[StoneByStone]

Well, it just means that the Americanized version of Islam that many black people follow is very different from Wahhabism.

Yeah, my argument is that Islamic extremism does exist, but it's really rare, especially in the West. Whether they converted, immigrated here as Muslims, or were born here as Muslims, the vast majority follow a Westernized version of Islam just like Christians follow a Westernized version of Christianity.

I think that depends on the black person you talk to. I know plenty of black people that view themselves as just as much Americans as a lot of white people.

There are definitely black nationalists that view themselves as something separate from the American mainstream, but that doesn't seem to be the average black person.

The Blacks that don't see themselves as separate from white Americans are likely the outliers. That's why there are a never-ending stream of arguments over representation.

 

[Saudade]

Yeah, my argument is that Islamic extremism does exist, but it's really rare, especially in the West. Whether they converted, immigrated here as Muslims, or were born here as Muslims, the vast majority follow a Westernized version of Islam just like Christians follow a Westernized version of Christianity.

In the US, yes. In Europe, not so much.

The Blacks that don't see themselves as separate from white Americans are likely the outliers. That's why there are a never-ending stream of arguments over representation.

Eh, I would argue that has less to do with an actual cultural difference and more to do with political opportunism. The left created a mindset of continual grievances. The grievances can't ever stop, because that would require people to hold themselves accountable for their own failures.

 

[StoneByStone]

In the US, yes. In Europe, not so much.

Extremist Muslims are a tiny minority in Europe too. They are self-segregating themselves, but it's being done along racial lines. And for all the talk about building a caliphate in Europe, it still hasn't happened.

Eh, I would argue that has less to do with an actual cultural difference and more to do with political opportunism. The left created a mindset of continual grievances. The grievances can't ever stop, because that would require people to hold themselves accountable for their own failures.

The Right does that too with their ridiculous "dEmS aRe ThE rEaL rAcIsTs" arguments. It's not just the Left, it's the entire establishment because when a country becomes multiracial, every issue becomes racial or at least race becomes part of the narrative.
Opportunists like Al Sharpton take advantage, but the only reason he's able to is because Blacks care so much about being represented in the first place.

Remember when the ACA required companies to provide birth control and the dipshits over at Fox News tried to rally Catholics by marketing it as an anti-catholic issue? It totally fell flat because Catholic identity isn't a big deal in America. Black identity, being racial, is a big deal here.

 

[Saudade]

Extremist Muslims are a tiny minority in Europe too. They are self-segregating themselves, but it's being done along racial lines. And for all the talk about building a caliphate in Europe, it still hasn't happened.

On the flipside, if extremism isn't much of a problem in Europe regarding Muslims, self-segregating shouldn't be an issue either.

The Right does that too with their ridiculous "dEmS aRe ThE rEaL rAcIsTs" arguments. It's not just the Left, it's the entire establishment because when a country becomes multiracial, every issue becomes racial or at least race becomes part of the narrative.
Opportunists like Al Sharpton take advantage, but the only reason he's able to is because Blacks care so much about being represented in the first place.

Remember when the ACA required companies to provide birth control and the dipshits over at Fox News tried to rally Catholics by marketing it as an anti-catholic issue? It totally fell flat because Catholic identity isn't a big deal in America. Black identity, being racial, is a big deal here.

Well, you'll enable the Al Sharptons of society more by supporting Democrats.

 

[StoneByStone]

On the flipside, if extremism isn't much of a problem in Europe regarding Muslims, self-segregating shouldn't be an issue either.

Well you don't need to be an extremist to self-segregate and fight for representation. Despite what the Trumpcucks say, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tliab aren't terrorists. However, they are doing their best to get "special interest" groups to push white people out of power.

Well, you'll enable the Al Sharptons of society more by supporting Democrats.

I know and I'm not happy about it, but the choices are literally a Democracy that is far from perfect and a Fascist state.

 

[Saudade]

Well you don't need to be an extremist to self-segregate and fight for representation. Despite what the Trumpcucks say, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tliab aren't terrorists. However, they are doing their best to get "special interest" groups to push white people out of power.



I know and I'm not happy about it, but the choices are literally a Democracy that is far from perfect and a Fascist state.

You use fascist very loosely.

 

[StoneByStone]

You use fascist very loosely.

Would you say that a party with blind loyalty to a president who tries to rig elections is not Fascist?

Could we at least agree that if the Republicans had full control of congress, we would no longer have elections?

 

[Saudade]

Would you say that a party with blind loyalty to a president who tries to rig elections is not Fascist?

Could we at least agree that if the Republicans had full control of congress, we would no longer have elections?

He hasn't rigged anything. And no, Republicans wouldn't have the power to end elections even if they had a supermajority.

If you want to talk about rigging things, how about a lot of social media and companies like Google exhibiting heavy liberal biases?

 

[Nordberg]

He hasn't rigged anything. And no, Republicans wouldn't have the power to end elections even if they had a supermajority.

If you want to talk about rigging things, how about a lot of social media and companies like Google exhibiting heavy liberal biases?

You mean when they showed that bias by working closely with Russians and Trumpies to infest the election? we are still trying to get Facebook and Google from allowing Russian hackers to have access to America.

 

[StoneByStone]

He hasn't rigged anything. And no, Republicans wouldn't have the power to end elections even if they had a supermajority.

If you want to talk about rigging things, how about a lot of social media and companies like Google exhibiting heavy liberal biases?

He tried to rig the 2020 election, he just got caught. He also had a "secret meeting" with Russia after accepting their offer of help, but before they interfered in the 2016 election. So that's just a bit suspicious.

First of all, that's just not true. Conservatives break the terms of use agreements a lot more, especially on YouTube, then bitch about some imaginary "liberal bias."
Secondly, even if Google did have a bias, it's a private company. They can use their money to influence an election if they want just like any other American citizen. Trump tried bribing a foreign government with American money to interfere in our election. Completely different situation.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I am a New Englander like Suzy Collins.

She can't get re-elected without the support of her women constituents.

She voted for the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh.

Thus, she's forfeited the support of her women constituents.

They've been quite vocal about that.

Whatever political capital she gained from voting against Betsy DeVos and forcing the hypocrite Jesus freak Mike Pence out of hibernation is long gone and hard to find.

Suzy's new name in New England is Dead Bitch Walking.

 

[Saudade]

You mean when they showed that bias by working closely with Russians and Trumpies to infest the election? we are still trying to get Facebook and Google from allowing Russian hackers to have access to America.

You really think Google favors Trump? And as far as Zuckerberg goes, FB has censored a lot of conservatives.

I get it though. You have to buy into collusion to make losing this year more palatable than admitting your party's shortcomings.

 

[Saudade]

He tried to rig the 2020 election, he just got caught. He also had a "secret meeting" with Russia after accepting their offer of help, but before they interfered in the 2016 election. So that's just a bit suspicious.

First of all, that's just not true. Conservatives break the terms of use agreements a lot more, especially on YouTube, then bitch about some imaginary "liberal bias."
Secondly, even if Google did have a bias, it's a private company. They can use their money to influence an election if they want just like any other American citizen. Trump tried bribing a foreign government with American money to interfere in our election. Completely different situation.

Believe whatever helps you sleep at night. Either way, if Trump wins again, blaming everyone else under the sun won't change the path that the Democrats have set for themselves.

 

[StoneByStone]

Believe whatever helps you sleep at night. Either way, if Trump wins again, blaming everyone else under the sun won't change the path that the Democrats have set for themselves.

I'm blaming the Democrats too. I think ridiculously sucking up to non-white voters with promises of reparations and decriminalizing illegal immigration has driven tons of people to Republican Fascism.
But that doesn't mean Trump didn't try to rig the election with his Ukrainian bribe attempt.

 

[Saudade]

I'm blaming the Democrats too. I think ridiculously sucking up to non-white voters with promises of reparations and decriminalizing illegal immigration has driven tons of people to Republican Fascism.
But that doesn't mean Trump didn't try to rig the election with his Ukrainian bribe attempt.

Even if you buy the quid pro quo argument, how is that rigging an election? At worst, it would just sabotage Biden's campaign. The Democrats don't even look like they'll nominate Biden.

 

[StoneByStone]

Even if you buy the quid pro quo argument, how is that rigging an election? At worst, it would just sabotage Biden's campaign. The Democrats don't even look like they'll nominate Biden.

Using a phony investigation of a non-crime to kneecap a political opponent is rigging an election. If it's not rigging an election, it's at the very least, cheating in an election.

Now if you like Trump, I can understand not caring. But if this becomes normalized, it's going to be ok for all future president, including liberal Democrats. This is why everyone should vote against Trump in the next election. We as Americans should collectively send the message that we do not accept cheating in American elections.

 

[Saudade]

Using a phony investigation of a non-crime to kneecap a political opponent is rigging an election. If it's not rigging an election, it's at the very least, cheating in an election.

Now if you like Trump, I can understand not caring. But if this becomes normalized, it's going to be ok for all future president, including liberal Democrats. This is why everyone should vote against Trump in the next election. We as Americans should collectively send the message that we do not accept cheating in American elections.

So, the "opposition research" done by Clinton was cheating as well eh? How about the wiretapping by Obama against the Trump campaign?

How about the abuse of the FISA hop policy that was used in the FBI's investigations of the campaign?