I hope the Russiaphobes are happy now

Thing1 said:
I'm literally laughing my arse off.

Did I "congratulate Trump?" Is that the very best you have in your big case against me for my "hypocrisy?"

You're really a unique sort of political hack. What a completely lame accusation & post. A total fail.
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He's right but you're far too much up your arse to acknowledge it. The Syria War would still be raging if the HillBillies had got into the White House
 
Corazón said:
He's right but you're far too much up your arse to acknowledge it. The Syria War would still be raging if the HillBillies had got into the White House
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The day any Iraq War cheerleader can call me a hypocrite & get an attaboy is the day we've gone way too far down the rabbit hole.
 
Thing1 said:
The day any Iraq War cheerleader can call me a hypocrite & get an attaboy is the day we've gone way too far down the rabbit hole.
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This should be easy lol.

Just congratulate Trump for improving things in Syria; condemn your liberal buddies on Libya like you do conservatives for Iraq---since it was the same fricking thing, and they were supporting it's architect to be president.

Tell them they can no longer comment on foreign policy. Ever.

Otherwise, be satisfied with the hypocrite label and wear it proudly.
 
Cypress said:
I am not buying your philosophy about Russia since it is neither genuine, principled, or consistent.

Your (nearly daily) defense and deflection for the Kremlin almost precisely coincides in time with the news Russian intelligence agencies were trying to aid the Trump campaign defeat Sec State Clinton. Any reasonable person easily comes to the conclusion your defense of the Kremlin is based only on your uber partisan love affair with President Pussy Grabber.

I have actually had relatives sent to the Gulag, so I do not - and never have - had illusions about Russian totalitarians.
No sentient adult thinks we cannot work with Russia where mutual interests are found. I have spent a lifetime hoping that liberals in Russia will prevail, and democratic institutions take hold. But Putin is an authoritarian, and ex-KBG strongman. Your alliance of convenience with Putin, motivated solely by your hyper partisan love of Trump, is really transparent, fake, flimsy, and frankly insulting to a thinking person.
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you can call me "fancy bear" :)
.. was that Gulag under Putin? I'm thinking it was more probably under the USSR, not that you say because the USSR and modern Russia are one and the same to you.

I have 0 interests in your relatives; 0 interests in your Russiaphobia and 0 interests in your sanctimonious bullshit that only that only those who suffered can possibly speak to US/Russian relations.

It's to Russia's and the US/EU advantage to improve relations for all involved. Improving Russia economy means more trade with the UE for ex; and less war spending

The fact you prefer Cold War and sanctions over an enlightened realpolitik approach
tells me you are mired in hating Putin.
That's certainly your right -but don't put your hatred upfront as some noble reason for not improving relations. It's not.

Nor is liberalization..that's up to the people of Russia to decide what's best
I am concerned with what is best for the USA/EU and Cold War isn't it.
 
Darth Omar said:
This should be easy lol.

Just congratulate Trump for improving things in Syria; condemn your liberal buddies on Libya like you do conservatives for Iraq---since it was the same fricking thing, and they were supporting it's architect to be president.

Tell them they can no longer comment on foreign policy. Ever.

Otherwise, be satisfied with the hypocrite label and wear it proudly.
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I already have "condemned" Libya & its supporters countless times.

Unlike you, I am 100% principled, and my positions do NOT change based on whether a Democrat or Republican is in office. Iraq was still the biggest blunder of my lifetime. You'll have to show me where my "liberal buddies" cheered as hard for Libya, and spent their time calling those on the right traitors & terrorist-sympathizers. There should be posts all over this board that you can cite.

And screw Trump. He's a delusional oaf who has no idea what he's doing. I know you're in a mode of thinking he's wonderful & gets credit for everything, but we already know (from how you are about Iraq now) that 13 years from now, you'll be saying "oops" and "hey, we learned from it" and "it was so long ago!"
 
Thing1 said:
I already have "condemned" Libya & its supporters countless times.

Unlike you, I am 100% principled, and my positions do NOT change based on whether a Democrat or Republican is in office. Iraq was still the biggest blunder of my lifetime. You'll have to show me where my "liberal buddies" cheered as hard for Libya, and spent their time calling those on the right traitors & terrorist-sympathizers. There should be posts all over this board that you can cite.

And screw Trump. He's a delusional oaf who has no idea what he's doing. I know you're in a mode of thinking he's wonderful & gets credit for everything, but we already know (from how you are about Iraq now) that 13 years from now, you'll be saying "oops" and "hey, we learned from it" and "it was so long ago!"
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You just can't do it, can you lol.
 
Libya was "smart power" according to Hillary Clinton

within the Obama administration, Clinton had been a strong supporter of the unauthorized military intervention in Libya. In 2011, it was even dubbed "Hillary's War," perhaps to her delight at the time. When Gadhafi was on the run and Libya seemed like a foreign policy success story, Clinton was eager to take credit. As Rep. Peter Roskam, R-Ill., noted, she made the rounds of all the talk shows to discuss it.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hillary-clintons-smart-power-disaster-in-libya/article/2574754

The truth is Libya's civil war never ended. There was nothing smart about it
 
Darth Omar said:
Ok, Thingy lol.

So what if we were. Iraq was 13 years ago and maybe we learned a thing or two.

But what has the left and the democrats learned from it? Very little, if anything. They opposed Iraq, not out of principle, but because it was 'Bush's war'. But something happened to them after Bush was gone.

Suddenly, they became tepid when Hillary and Obama indulged in regime change in Libya and turned Libya into an Islamist hell-hole that contributed to a refugee crisis in Europe. One can only imagine their outrage had Bush still been in office.

Trump has made strides in Syria by being the 'anti-Bush/anti-Obama' in calling off our support for regime change in that country.

The left should be cheering, but they're not. They'd prefer to stick it to Russia over some unproven allegations over an election. Even if it means our CIA was getting weapons into the hands of al Qaeda off-shoots and turning Syria into, yet another, Islamist hellhole.

Iraq was 13 years ago, where are they now?
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ITs the same ignorant decision making.
 
noise said:
id be really' really careful of calling Trumpsters warmongers -especially since you backed Hillary Clinton.
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Hillary aint going to start any wars. She never gave the order to send cruse missiles into a foreign nation.
 
Darth Omar said:
You've had one right prediction in 13 years. And you needed Obama's help on that one.

Not sure I'd be boasting about it.
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;0) Not sure you want to be boasting about your support for the worst American president in our history .. achieved in under 6 months.

Gotta' be hard turning on the news everyday .. then coming to this board desperately searching for good news for your side.

Gotta' be hard defending a clown.

I feel you brother.
 
Jarod said:
Hillary aint going to start any wars. She never gave the order to send cruse missiles into a foreign nation.
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Had she won, she knew that she would be under a microscope on any military action. She knew she is considered a hawk .. and she knew if she was to be re-elected, she could not engage in needless wars.

She was not going to start any wars.
 
blackascoal said:
Had she won, she knew that she would be under a microscope on any military action. She knew she is considered a hawk .. and she knew if she was to be re-elected, she could not engage in needless wars.

She was not going to start any wars.
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We will never know
 
Jarod said:
We will never know
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True .. but something more important happened. Republicans elected a clown.

Had Clinton won she would still face a republican Congress that would be intent on doing nothing but stopping her. Nothing would get done.

But before that happened .. God stepped in .. and gave us an unbelievable classless clown of remarkable ignorance.

2018 and beyond look a lot better today then had Hillary won.

Thank you Lord. :nolovejesus:

:0)
 
Jarod said:
Hillary aint going to start any wars. She never gave the order to send cruse missiles into a foreign nation.
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you think she had enough of Iraq? Syria & Libya too?

That was enough for her, or do you think her "tough on Putin" policy
would have us in a support posture in Syria for a No Fly now?
 
noise said:
ROFL @ "propaganda".
"I can't make you think" good brother if you are content to feel. enjoy the Cold War 2 sandwich
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Im disappointed. Can you please write "realpolitik" again. I learned the meaning of the term 40 years ago. It appears you just did. It's you new proud squeaky chew toy. You write that more than John Foster Dulles.
 
Micawber said:
Im disappointed. Can you please write "realpolitik" again. I learned the meaning of the term 40 years ago. It appears you just did. It's you new proud squeaky chew toy. You write that more than John Foster Dulles.
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Nixon's China card is where I first heard it
 
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