How to kickstart en economy

Stop The Silly Shit And Build!

There is only one way to fix a broken economy. You must build. Lincoln built railroads. Ted Roosevelt built the Panama canal. IKE built freeways. Build dammit!
 
augustino5150 said:
There is only one way to fix a broken economy. You must build. Lincoln built railroads. Ted Roosevelt built the Panama canal. IKE built freeways. Build dammit!
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No.

We need protectionism against the globalists onslaught/race to the bottom.

Building is just what the Chinese want us to do. So it's all nice and modern when they take over. Fuck that.

Protectionism is what we need.

protectionism is constitutional, desirable, and exactly what we need. And you can take that...... to the bank.
 
You can see all those fascist talking heads on cnbc all start to turn red with rage when anyone discusses anything approaching protectionism.

their main job is villainizing the concept, so they get real serious and involved. Especially that british guy. What a 'mo.
 
Legalize Pot and allow gay marriages.

Pot smokers would spend a fortune on both herb and on twinkies.

Gay weddings would be another huge cash cow. Does anything think, if they knew they would be legal forever, that gay men wouldn't have the most lavish weddings ever?
 
Onceler said:
I know what you're saying. Improving efficiency probably won't make much of a dent overall; I think it changes the overall attitude, though, and is a good start.

As to your other point: with defense, they HAVE to slash that budget. SF mentioned 1/3, which to me, would be the minimum. It's outdated & not needed; we don't live in the '80's anymore.

I think SS should be privatized. I don't understand opponents to privatization; there is no scenario based on history where those who need the benefits do not increase their return exponentially. It's a win, win, win if there ever was one.

I think you have to keep medicare/medicaid intact; I'm not as versed on those programs, but from what I understand, there are ways to make them run leaner, without compromising benefits.
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I agree with the military. I'll be fucking damned if I trust those no good rotten theives on wall street with my SS money. FUCK THAT. If we have to, we can raise the cap on the pay roll tax and that's an easy fix. Medicare/medicaid need to rolled over into future health care reform so that it is essentially no longer needed.

But lets indeed start with the military frist. Bush 1 tried to start paying for the peace dividend by reducing our military with base closures. For some bizzare reason Clinton and the Dems took the blame for that with military folk who it was, to state the obvious, very unpopular with.
 
augustino5150 said:
There is only one way to fix a broken economy. You must build. Lincoln built railroads. Ted Roosevelt built the Panama canal. IKE built freeways. Build dammit!
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LBJ built rockets. Yea I agree. A national infrastructure project would help. I'd like to see a national energy project. Develop and build the infrastructure for fuel cell technology and get us off the foreign oil tit.
 
AssHatZombie said:
No.

We need protectionism against the globalists onslaught/race to the bottom.

Building is just what the Chinese want us to do. So it's all nice and modern when they take over. Fuck that.

Protectionism is what we need.

protectionism is constitutional, desirable, and exactly what we need. And you can take that...... to the bank.
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No, protectionism ultimately hurts us more then it helps. What he need to do is only permit trade agreements with nations that adopt or agree to our standards for doing business. That would stop the race to the bottom.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I agree with the military. I'll be fucking damned if I trust those no good rotten theives on wall street with my SS money. FUCK THAT. If we have to, we can raise the cap on the pay roll tax and that's an easy fix. Medicare/medicaid need to rolled over into future health care reform so that it is essentially no longer needed.

But lets indeed start with the military frist. Bush 1 tried to start paying for the peace dividend by reducing our military with base closures. For some bizzare reason Clinton and the Dems took the blame for that with military folk who it was, to state the obvious, very unpopular with.
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You've gotta separate the personality of Wall Street from the practical benefits.

Sure, a bunch of unethical greedheads will get richer; but so will retirees...so will YOU. And not just in terms of returns after a lifetime of investing the same amount that we now pay as a SS tax - those returns will be exponential, without doubt. When Wall Street does well, business is confident, and when business is confident, people get hired.

It's really that simple. Privatization is the answer; it's the answer today, and it will be the answer even more if we don't do anything in the next 20-30 years.
 
VOODOO ECONOMICS

Onceler said:
You've gotta separate the personality of Wall Street from the practical benefits.

Sure, a bunch of unethical greedheads will get richer; but so will retirees...so will YOU. And not just in terms of returns after a lifetime of investing the same amount that we now pay as a SS tax - those returns will be exponential, without doubt. When Wall Street does well, business is confident, and when business is confident, people get hired.

It's really that simple. Privatization is the answer; it's the answer today, and it will be the answer even more if we don't do anything in the next 20-30 years.
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If the Bush privatization plan would have passed, SS would have been wiped out in the AIG robbery. Privatization is VooDoo economics.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No, protectionism ultimately hurts us more then it helps. What he need to do is only permit trade agreements with nations that adopt or agree to our standards for doing business. That would stop the race to the bottom.
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Many would call that protectionism. Any standards at all are called protectionism or populism, some evil "ism". Naziism even.

Our standards have slid too, by the way.

Stop just throwing out neocon slogans like "protectionism ultimately hurts us more then it helps." that's just bullshit, considering the ravages of globalization and the fact that no serious protectionism has even been attempted in the last 50 years. They have been selling us out slowly since world war II. When the U.S. became the real shot caller and the elitists in our system could start designing their New World Order.

Protectionism is the most irrationally villianized concept in modern history.

This is how we stop the takeover by the multinationals and their puppet governments.
 
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Build More Rockets!

Mott the Hoople said:
LBJ built rockets. Yea I agree. A national infrastructure project would help. I'd like to see a national energy project. Develop and build the infrastructure for fuel cell technology and get us off the foreign oil tit.
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LBJ and JFK were both rocket men. I love rockets. We need to build more!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I agree with you in part. I dont' agree that waste full spending is the crux of the problem though it is certainly a problem. The crux of the problem is that we want some very expensive programs, and I"m specifically refering to defense and entitlement programs, but we don't want to pay for them. We need to decide to either increase taxes to pay for these programs or cut these programs and learn to live with less. We can't have our cake and eat it too.
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I completely disagree. There are vast amounts of waste in both defense and education on the administrative side. Defense also wastes a ton in the 'we don't really need program 'x'' category. Add in the 4 billion bases we have around the world, my guess is... we don't need a big chunk of those bases any more.

Medicare and medicaid are also highly wasteful (even Obama found $500B in waste there).

We have raised spending every year since 1965. Yet we have increased our debt every year since 1960. Thus, the idiots in DC are continually taking more and more revenues to raise the yearly budgets and THEN they are STILL outspending those increased budgets.

Give me 3 months and about 30 accountants and I could streamline the budget, decrease the complexity of the tax code, increase the solvency of the entitlement programs AND start paying down the debt in subsequent years.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'm all for that too and I do believe it's important but it's not as critical as to making the hard decisions about the very expensive programs we all like but don't want to pay for. I'll ask anyone who wants a smaller, leaner government with less spending so that we don't have to raise taxes this question.

Would you be willing to cut spending on the millitary, social security and medicare/medicaid in half?

The reason I ask this is because greater efficiencies, though very much to be desired, alone will not solve our problem.
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Yes to the first question.

I would raise tax revenue, but I would do so in a manner many in your party (and the Reps) would not like.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I agree with the military. I'll be fucking damned if I trust those no good rotten theives on wall street with my SS money. FUCK THAT. If we have to, we can raise the cap on the pay roll tax and that's an easy fix. Medicare/medicaid need to rolled over into future health care reform so that it is essentially no longer needed.

But lets indeed start with the military frist. Bush 1 tried to start paying for the peace dividend by reducing our military with base closures. For some bizzare reason Clinton and the Dems took the blame for that with military folk who it was, to state the obvious, very unpopular with.
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NOTE TO ALL WHO OPPOSE PRIVATIZATION....

PRIVATIZATION DOES NOT MEAN THE MONEY HAS TO BE INVESTED IN THE STOCK MARKET. PRIVATIZATION MEANS THE MONEY IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF INDIVIDUALS AND NOT THE GOVERNMENT.
 
Onceler said:
You've gotta separate the personality of Wall Street from the practical benefits.

Sure, a bunch of unethical greedheads will get richer; but so will retirees...so will YOU. And not just in terms of returns after a lifetime of investing the same amount that we now pay as a SS tax - those returns will be exponential, without doubt. When Wall Street does well, business is confident, and when business is confident, people get hired.

It's really that simple. Privatization is the answer; it's the answer today, and it will be the answer even more if we don't do anything in the next 20-30 years.
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I'm sorry but that's in theory. In practice we have to much historical evidence that those same Gods of Wall Street would have no ethical conscience in pissing away your hard earned money then walking away with millions in bonuses while you spend your golden years supplementing your diet with cat food. One would have to be monumentally naive to trust Wall Street with our SS money.

SS was not intended to make people rich. It was intended to keep them out of devastating poverty in their retirement years. If you wan't to grow your wealth, by all means invest, but keep your gambling hands off of my SS money.

Privatization is not the answer. It's about the most foolish decision that could be made.
 
Onceler said:
You've gotta separate the personality of Wall Street from the practical benefits.

Sure, a bunch of unethical greedheads will get richer; but so will retirees...so will YOU. And not just in terms of returns after a lifetime of investing the same amount that we now pay as a SS tax - those returns will be exponential, without doubt. When Wall Street does well, business is confident, and when business is confident, people get hired.

It's really that simple. Privatization is the answer; it's the answer today, and it will be the answer even more if we don't do anything in the next 20-30 years.
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The funny thing about his 'I don't trust wall street with my ss' is that JP Morgan holds all SS funds right now and they currently make money doing so.

Nothing in that regard would change... though I WOULD propose that we rip that money away from the idiots at JPM.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'm sorry but that's in theory. In practice we have to much historical evidence that those same Gods of Wall Street would have no ethical conscience in pissing away your hard earned money then walking away with millions in bonuses while you spend your golden years supplementing your diet with cat food. One would have to be monumentally naive to trust Wall Street with our SS money.

SS was not intended to make people rich. It was intended to keep them out of devastating poverty in their retirement years. If you wan't to grow your wealth, by all means invest, but keep your gambling hands off of my SS money.

Privatization is not the answer. It's about the most foolish decision that could be made.
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WHO DO YOU THINK CURRENTLY HOLDS THE SS FUNDS?..... JP Morgan

The current Ponzi scheme is moronic. It is destined to fail. Privatization does not mean investing in the stock market. That is simply the bullshit fear mongering line the Dems feed the public every time someone mentions privatization.
 
Superfreak said:
NOTE TO ALL WHO OPPOSE PRIVATIZATION....

PRIVATIZATION DOES NOT MEAN THE MONEY HAS TO BE INVESTED IN THE STOCK MARKET. PRIVATIZATION MEANS THE MONEY IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF INDIVIDUALS AND NOT THE GOVERNMENT.
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Unless it's a pubic private partnership. Or just regular old corruption. The government is composed of individuals. In many cases privatization means less accoutability to the taxpayer. That's the main reason for it. Corporate veils, bailouts to publicize losses. A corporation is a collective too, prone to all the failings of collectivism that governments are.

Damn, they're so much unbrainwashing to do. ANd so little time.

I'm coming for your children, internationalist fascists.
 
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