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Yes of course it's anecdotal so what? The usual suspects just dismiss anything they don't like out of hand regardless. So why don't you wait for the results of the PRINCIPLE trial to be published? See post 216.
How many JPP patriots have ingested iodine antiseptic?
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Yes of course it's anecdotal so what? The usual suspects just dismiss anything they don't like out of hand regardless. So why don't you wait for the results of the PRINCIPLE trial to be published? See post 216.
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She only likes kosher ones, she should hook up with Guano.
I was googling to see who it was that first suggested ivermectin as a Covid treatment and found this info. I added more info on three points. You have a chemistry degree so you know how important it is that experiments can be replicated, yet you don't seem to hold ivermectin to that standard.
10 Fun Facts About Ivermectin, the COVID “Wonder Drug”
10. Ivermectin is Commonly Prescribed Human Medicine
9. But it IS a Horse Dewormer
8. Ivermectin Has Been Promoted by the Senate’s Most Scientifically Illiterate Member
7. Pierre Kory is Not Doing Very Good Science
The genesis of the ivermectin movement is Dr. Pierre Kory of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. His status as a preeminent authority who is saving lives with this wonder drug THEY don’t want you to know about is unquestioned by ivermectin faithful, but Kory must be explored more deeply. The FLCCC is known in medical circles for proclaiming that they have discovered innovative, maverick methods only to find later that these weren’t able to be replicated by other studies. In Kory’s case, he claimed that increasing steroids would benefit COVID patients, but it’s still very unclear whether they did more good than harm. That’s partly because…
6. Kory Really Doesn’t Like Randomized Controlled Trials
Randomized controlled human trials are essential in medicine because they prove whether or not something is effective in a vacuum. When people say that ivermectin needs to be looked into, this is actually what they should mean. Unfortunately, Kory believes that RCTs are immoral because they involve giving sick patients a placebo.
“Everyone in medicine will yell and scream that this paper is not a randomized controlled trial,” he told MedPage Today. “We didn't believe in an RCT. We believe we're supposed to doctor and use our expertise. If you've been doing this for decades, and you trust your assessment of the disease and your knowledge of medicine, it's OK to doctor.”
5. A Meta-Analysis by Kory is Really Bad
Kory has been hard at work trying to prove the effectiveness of ivermectin in what trials have been conducted, but his published work suffers greatly from the fact that his sources don’t pass scientific rigor. He conducted a meta-analysis of several studies, mostly in foreign countries, as well as some “natural experiments.” Philip Machanick did an exhaustive breakdown of each study Kory cites for his meta-analysis, and points out that “the studies cited do not conform to the kind of careful design that aims to correct for bias, particularly in observational studies where the methodology was not designed from the start to obtain accurate statistic.”
4. Ivermectin Has Now Become a Culture War
3. Ivermectin Has Not Saved Millions of Lives
2. Only Randomized Controlled Trials Will Prove Ivermectin’s Effectiveness
1. Ivermectin Is Definitely Far Less Effective Than the Vaccines
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/ivermectins-long-confusing-history-as-a-covid-wonder-drug-11595655
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As I stated previously there is an extensive trial called PRINCIPLE occurring at the moment in England regarding ivermectin. In the meantime the evidence is mostly anecdotal but then so was penicillin which is estimated to have saved over two million lives in WW2. Have you ever wondered why Merck is also talking down ivermectin? It is one of their drugs but they also have molnupiravir which they are hoping to make billions from, but only if it is granted emergency use authorisation in the US as soon as possible.
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Good, I'm glad somebody's doing this.
This was in my news feed yesterday.
Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Many Brazilians used to spend about $30 a head on what they called the "kit COVID." It was a mix of vitamins and other pills that President Jair Bolsonaro touted as early treatments for COVID-19, well before vaccines became widely available to prevent and minimize coronavirus infections. Among the "kit" drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin...
But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1, or Gamma, variant spread quickly across the country...
"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York, said. "Then wonder: If this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"
The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country. In July 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajaí, to the tune of about $826,000 in government spending. The mayor of Itajaí, the physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."
Ivermectin "prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," said Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious-disease and critical-care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection..."
... Antonio estimated about 70% of her ICU patients said during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) that they had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.
About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin...
The Brazilian government has issued new protocols for COVID-19 treatment, which recommend against using ivermectin in hospitalized patients, because they say there isn't good evidence it does anything...
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