How manipulative is CNN fake news?? Here's an example...

Into the Night said:
Prices are already coming down, Wally.
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The price has been going up, it is now $103.86.

On the 9th, it went up to nearly $120, the next day it dropped to nearly $80, and now has been moving up until it is now $103.86.

Into the Night said:
The Strait of Hormuz is open to traffic
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Transits have gone from an average of over 60 a day to less than 6 a day. None of the transits are significant amounts of oil. That is called "effectively closed."

Into the Night said:
Not all of the world's oil moves through that strait.
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20% of it does, and there is no obvious long or even medium term replacement for that 20%.

Into the Night said:
172 is not 400
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400 million barrels from multiple countries oil reserves, with 172 million coming from the US oil reserves for now. Other countries have oil reserves closer to the immediate need for oil, so they were cajoled into release oil on the promise that in the near future it would be replaced out of our oil reserves. That is not included in the 172 million, so we may be losing quite a bit more than 172 million.
 
CNN notes that the price fell by the end of the day, yet was significantly higher than one the day started.

Trump and GOP/MAGA have created the same three inequity balances that caused the financial troubles of 2008-2011.

I am preparing once again to buy up property.
 
Walt said:
The price has been going up, it is now $103.86.

On the 9th, it went up to nearly $120, the next day it dropped to nearly $80, and now has been moving up until it is now $103.86.
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Lie. Argument from randU fallacy. Current price is 97.20. It never went up to 120 on the 9th. Lying won't work, Wally. Source: NYMEX
Walt said:
Transits have gone from an average of over 60 a day to less than 6 a day. None of the transits are significant amounts of oil. That is called "effectively closed."
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It is not closed, Wally.
Walt said:
20% of it does, and there is no obvious long or even medium term replacement for that 20%.
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Of what, Wally?
Walt said:
400 million barrels from multiple countries oil reserves, with 172 million coming from the US oil reserves for now. Other countries have oil reserves closer to the immediate need for oil, so they were cajoled into release oil on the promise that in the near future it would be replaced out of our oil reserves. That is not included in the 172 million, so we may be losing quite a bit more than 172 million.
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172 is not 400, Wally.
 
Tobytone said:
Yep, and morons like lefty are perfect examples of their target audience. Lurchy is another perfect example, he struggles with too many words strung together like you find in articles. Headlines are about the limit for morons like him, and there are many Lurchy's out there.
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is releasing oil from strategic reserves a great solution or is it stupid and short-sighted?

just admit you work for China, asseater.
 
Once again we are all dumber for Night contributing his denials to the board. Defending trump seems to require a lot of denial of reality.

Walt said:
On the 9th, it went up to nearly $120, the next day it dropped to nearly $80, and now has been moving up until it is now $103.86.
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Into the Night said:
Lie. Argument from randU fallacy. Current price is 97.20. It never went up to 120 on the 9th.
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These are just facts. On the 9th, Brent hit a recent high of $119.40(nearly $120), then the next day it hit post high low of $81.16(nearly $80). It has gradually gone up until at 6:59pm EST Friday 13th it was at $103.86. If you trade on an exchange that closes at 5:00pm EST, then the last price is $98.91. There are 24hour trading exchanges, which have the current price at $103.14. The 24 hour exchanges are more up to date, but have less liquidity, so we will have to wait until Monday 8:00am to be sure where it is between those two numbers.

Into the Night said:
It is not closed
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You can keep arguing this, but it will not convince the reinsurers to let tankers go through the Strait of Hormuz.

Walt said:
400 million barrels from multiple countries oil reserves, with 172 million coming from the US oil reserves for now.
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Into the Night said:
172 is not 400, Wally.
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The 32 Member countries of the International Energy Agency unanimously agreed today to make 400 million barrels of oil from their emergency reserves available to the market to address disruptions in oil markets stemming from the war in the Middle East.
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www.iea.org

IEA Member countries to carry out largest ever oil stock release amid market disruptions from Middle East conflict - News - IEA

IEA Member countries to carry out largest ever oil stock release amid market disruptions from Middle East conflict - News from the International Energy Agency
www.iea.org www.iea.org
 
Walt said:
It is a short term solution, so if trump can find a medium term solution, it makes sense. I am not seeing him even work on a medium term solution, so we are in real trouble.

So I probably agree with Monad.
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it's inevitable.

we are being rope a doped by the world.

fuck these people and their internal neocon globalist shit eating traitors.
 
Monad Portal said:
it's inevitable.

we are being rope a doped by the world.

fuck these people and their internal neocon globalist shit eating traitors.
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If he can open up the Strait of Hormuz, then it is not inevitable. I really do not see an obvious way to force the Strait open, nor do the Iranians seem open to negotiation.
 
gfm7175 said:
Continued chanting.

As you're already aware, I'm actually railing against their manipulation tactic, Richard.

Irrelevant.
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It's very relevant. You are making somewhat of an argument based on a single word in a 1300 word article.
gfm7175 said:
Stop evading. This isn't about any technicality within a dictionary definition of a word.
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The dictionary definition of a word is a technicality? You are the one that is claiming a meaning of the word that is not the meaning most often used. That means it is YOU that is attempting to manipulate what the meaning is.

gfm7175 said:
This is about manipulation via a 'lie of omission'. CNN purposely highlights the highest number, then is purposely vague about a "somewhat" decrease from that high number (instead of stating the actual number, which is a whopping 25% DECREASE from the high number). It's lying by omission. Focus on THAT instead of trying to evade by sprinting towards some dictionary definition of a word.
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I see you want to ignore the other words so you can rely on this one. CNN states in the article in the second paragraph-
"Now, as oil prices hover near $100 a barrel just over a week into the war and US gas prices are moving sharply higher, it’s prompted a belated rush to try to reassure investors and seek ways to tamp down the impact."
So CNN long before the part you claim misleads the reader says that NOW the price is near $100 a barrel.
gfm7175 said:
Stop being stupid. (I know, I know, it's not possible). If the article is specifically about the price of oil, then they are naturally watching the price of oil when writing and editing the article.
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You are being stupid. The article is about the White House response to the price of oil going up due to the war.

gfm7175 said:
They know full well what the price actually is, but they 'lie by omission' with regard to the 'low number' for the day and instead just say "decreased somewhat" (to purposely give the impression that the price is still near $120/barrel).
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Once again, you simply ignore all the other 1300 words and what they refer to to make a pedantic argument that makes no sense. The article twice mentions $100 a barrel. This is what the article is about - It's the second paragraph.

Now, as oil prices hover near $100 a barrel just over a week into the war and US gas prices are moving sharply higher, it’s prompted a belated rush to try to reassure investors and seek ways to tamp down the impact. But the administration is confronting the limits of its power — and the reality that President Donald Trump’s decision to wage war abroad threatens to wipe out some of his key economic accomplishments at home.
 
Monad Portal said:
no it's inevitable that you will agree with me.

the truth always wins.
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I do not see a clear alternative, nor anyone working towards an alternative, so that would mean it is probably inevitable. That means I basically agree with you, but am less sure than you are.
 
Walt said:
If he can open up the Strait of Hormuz, then it is not inevitable. I really do not see an obvious way to force the Strait open, nor do the Iranians seem open to negotiation.
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The guy we would have to negotiate with, the new leader, just had his father, mother, wife, and daughter killed by American bombs. I doubt he would give much in negotiations anyway.,
 
Monad Portal said:
is releasing oil from strategic reserves a great solution or is it stupid and short-sighted?

just admit you work for China, asseater.
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I'll try to help you one more time, because I really am a nice guy. You started out fine. You asked a question that resembled a normal question from a normal person. Then you made it clear your medication isn't dialed in. Work with your doctor to fix that. Also, I think sharing your posts at group could help too.

That was my final attempt to help you, good luck.
 
Ross Dolan said:
The guy we would have to negotiate with, the new leader, just had his father, mother, wife, and daughter killed by American bombs. I doubt he would give much in negotiations anyway.,
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The leadership will not negotiate, and there is no clear way to force the Strait open without negotiation. Add into that anyone who could has it in their favor to be able to blame trump for this mess.

The Chinese economy crashes after bailing trump out, it is Xi's fault. The Chinese economy crashes after trump is not bailed out, it is trump's fault. Xi does not lose by having trump take the blame.
 
Tobytone said:
I'll try to help you one more time, because I really am a nice guy. You started out fine. You asked a question that resembled a normal question from a normal person. Then you made it clear your medication isn't dialed in. Work with your doctor to fix that. Also, I think sharing your posts at group could help too.

That was my final attempt to help you, good luck.
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so depleting the strategic reserves is smart?

that's a bad take, my retarded son.

:tardthoughts:
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It's very relevant. You are making somewhat of an argument based on a single word in a 1300 word article.

The dictionary definition of a word is a technicality? You are the one that is claiming a meaning of the word that is not the meaning most often used. That means it is YOU that is attempting to manipulate what the meaning is.


I see you want to ignore the other words so you can rely on this one. CNN states in the article in the second paragraph-
"Now, as oil prices hover near $100 a barrel just over a week into the war and US gas prices are moving sharply higher, it’s prompted a belated rush to try to reassure investors and seek ways to tamp down the impact."
So CNN long before the part you claim misleads the reader says that NOW the price is near $100 a barrel.

You are being stupid. The article is about the White House response to the price of oil going up due to the war.


Once again, you simply ignore all the other 1300 words and what they refer to to make a pedantic argument that makes no sense. The article twice mentions $100 a barrel. This is what the article is about - It's the second paragraph.

Now, as oil prices hover near $100 a barrel just over a week into the war and US gas prices are moving sharply higher, it’s prompted a belated rush to try to reassure investors and seek ways to tamp down the impact. But the administration is confronting the limits of its power — and the reality that President Donald Trump’s decision to wage war abroad threatens to wipe out some of his key economic accomplishments at home.
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CNN reported the low number at the end of the day, as they did yesterday, as they will Monday.
 
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