How Dow Chemical Can End the Bhopal Tragedy

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and again for our extremely slow British friends... the assets and liabilities of UCIL was SOLD in 1994.

If Union Carbide owned the Bhopal plant, Dow bears no responsibility.
In 1984, Union Carbide owned the plant. A decade later, Union Carbide claimed that the plant was sold during an auction in 1994. However, contradictory to that claim, the plant was no longer on the books at the time of the auction. Instead, the Indian government had shut down the plant, and the legal ramifications of the pollution were still being resolved. In 2001, Dow acquired Union Carbide for $11.6 billion and the two entities became one and the same. So when we write "Dow," think "Union Carbide." Union Carbide describes the relationship in its annual report: "Union Carbide's business activities comprise components of Dow's global operations rather than stand-alone operations."

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The only ones ignoring legal fact, are you and Tom; because:

what does the US courts have to do with this anyways? How can the US courts enforce Indian law? This is a dispute between the Indian Government and DOW Chemical and the Indian government has very similiar cradle to grave and PRP laws that the US does.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You work in the industry but USF knows better!

I worked for about a year and a half as the on-scene commander/project manager on a Super Fund project. I swore I would never ever do that again! It was one of the most difficult and stessfull jobs I've ever had.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

NOPE.
You're just trying to simplify everything, so that it doesn't hurt your head; because there's more involved then what you have stated.

Trust me, I've worked in this field for a long long time. We can argue this until the cows come home. At the end of the day the Indian government is going to exact it's pound of flesh from DOW chemical. Just you wait and see.

As I said previously, I think the Indian government needs to get off it's ass and remediate this site and worry about liability and compensation after they have made this site safe for the people who live there. The fact that they have not done so in 30 years is a fact I find reprehensible but that doesnt' change a thing. There going to go after DOW cause DOW has the deep pockets and if DOW wants to do business in India, they will pay.

 

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what does the US courts have to do with this anyways? How can the US courts enforce Indian law? This is a dispute between the Indian Government and DOW Chemical and the Indian government has very similiar cradle to grave and PRP laws that the US does.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
And now you side with the Indian Government, who owned a 49% partnership and accepted the settlement offer, to be on legal and moral ground.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

 

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what does the US courts have to do with this anyways? How can the US courts enforce Indian law? This is a dispute between the Indian Government and DOW Chemical and the Indian government has very similiar cradle to grave and PRP laws that the US does.

Notice the moral and public relations imperative cuts very little ice with SF, it is the exact same lack of morality which got us in the shit in 2008!

 

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Not according to the Courts.

Who's courts?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Well, obviously the US Courts know more then he does.

They do but of what relevence is a US court in India?

 

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Trust me, I've worked in this field for a long long time. We can argue this until the cows come home. At the end of the day the Indian government is going to exact it's pound of flesh from DOW chemical. Just you wait and see.

As I said previously, I think the Indian government needs to get off it's ass and remediate this site and worry about liability and compensation after they have made this site safe for the people who live there. The fact that they have not done so in 30 years is a fact I find reprehensible but that doesnt' change a thing. There going to go after DOW cause DOW has the deep pockets and if DOW wants to do business in India, they will pay.

Never going to happen and if they TRY to go after DOW, India might just find out that other companies don't want to deal with them either.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Not going to happen and this is just posturing, on your part.

Not posturing at all. I have no dog in this fight. I'm just telling you how it is. You can dislike it all to hell cause I know I do but that's how it works my friend and it's fucking ugly.

 

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Who's courts?

So you just ignored SF's presentations.
Expected.

 

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They do but of what relevence is a US court in India?

And what relevence does and Indian court have to do with anything; seeing as how India accepted the settlement.

 

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Trust me, I've worked in this field for a long long time. We can argue this until the cows come home. At the end of the day the Indian government is going to exact it's pound of flesh from DOW chemical. Just you wait and see.

As I said previously, I think the Indian government needs to get off it's ass and remediate this site and worry about liability and compensation after they have made this site safe for the people who live there. The fact that they have not done so in 30 years is a fact I find reprehensible but that doesnt' change a thing. There going to go after DOW cause DOW has the deep pockets and if DOW wants to do business in India, they will pay.

The article states that a German company is cleaning up the site now, at the expense of the Indian government.

A German agency has agreed to remove 350 tons of waste over the course of the next year, all at Indian taxpayers' expense. While the local government had previously impeded studies on Bhopal's environmental contamination, the Madhya Pradesh government's willingness to let the German agency remove the waste is a hopeful sign. Still, the epic mess that began over a quarter-century ago is far from over. Who can -- and should -- help the remaining victims and put an end to the ordeal once and for all?

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3599445.ece

 

[Mott the Hoople]

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Again, you don't understand what I am saying. I'm not accusing DOW of anything. I'm just trying to explain to you how governments, including ours, assign liability in these types of hazardous waste/materials incidents. I'm not saying I agree or support them I'm just trying to explain to you this is what they do in these types of situations. Bhopal is hardly an isolated incident.

 

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Not posturing at all. I have no dog in this fight. I'm just telling you how it is. You can dislike it all to hell cause I know I do but that's how it works my friend and it's fucking ugly.

And yet, after all these years, it still hasn't worked out as you're presenting.

 

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
And now you side with the Indian Government, who owned a 49% partnership and accepted the settlement offer, to be on legal and moral ground.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

You're being either silly or obtuse now. I'm not siding with anyone. I'm just a hazmat manager who's been working in the hazardous waste industry for over 20 years at a professional level. One of my mentors was an environmental attorney, another was the President of the Association of Certified Hazardous Materials Managers, and I've actually worked on CERCLA/Super Fund sites. I'm not taking any side or position other than I find the Indian government inaction in remediationg this site deplorable. I'm just trying to explain to you how these situations work from a legal stand point. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.

 

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The article states that a German company is cleaning up the site now, at the expense of the Indian government.



http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3599445.ece

So India is finally fulfilling their responsibility, after they accepted the settlement.
About time.

When is BP going to pay for their responsibility?

 

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Again, you don't understand what I am saying. I'm not accusing DOW of anything. I'm just trying to explain to you how governments, including ours, assign liability in these types of hazardous waste/materials incidents. I'm not saying I agree or support them I'm just trying to explain to you this is what they do in these types of situations. Bhopal is hardly an isolated incident.

So now the comment of "I voted against the war, after I voted for the war", is now being changed to "I accepted the settlement, before I declined the settlement"!

 

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So India is finally fulfilling their responsibility, after they accepted the settlement.
About time.

When is BP going to pay for their responsibility?

Let me turn this back on you. Your favourite tactic is to demand proof when somebody says something so please show me definitive proof that BP had evaded its responsibilities.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Never going to happen and if they TRY to go after DOW, India might just find out that other companies don't want to deal with them either.

LOL I wouldn't be so sure about that. DOW's competitors would love nothing better than for DOW to be kept out of Inda so they can aquire their market share.