SmarterthanYou
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yeah, you already have lost. you just can't accept it. by all means, continue on with your blathering, it's amusing.
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yeah, you already have lost. you just can't accept it. by all means, continue on with your blathering, it's amusing.
A clairvoyant person would be able to receive revelations from the Creator, so, no.
Then how do you know what the Creator had in mind when he endowed those natural rights? Answer - you don't. They are abstract and subjective concepts in favor in the 17th and 18th centuries as justification to revolt against unjust laws and tyrannical governments. Nothing more, nothing less.
yeah, you already have lost. you just can't accept it. by all means, continue on with your blathering, it's amusing.
(laughing) I have yet to see a cogent argument, especially from you, cretin.
Keep struggling, motherfucker.
"Then how do you know what the Creator had in mind when he endowed those natural rights? Answer - you don't." d7
It's a little more complicated than that.
a) I'm not sure Jefferson was a theist, and may more closely been a deist.
Thomas Jefferson wrote the rough draft of the DOI; John Adams and Ben Franklin were the editors.
Jefferson originally wrote:
"We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable ..." Jefferson
Franklin expresses his reservation about that phrasing to Jefferson. Franklin explained; we're founding a new country. It's not based on assertions of religion. It's based on assertions of reason. We should reflect that religious tolerance in this writing.
source: Walter Isaacson: author of: Benjamin Franklin: An American Life
b) The final more familiar wording kills several birds with a single stone.
- It helped get the otherwise unrelenting barrage of theist antagonists on a temporary time-out.
- It helped illustrate that human rights have a nobler origin than a gift from government; that instead governments should not usurp them, but are neither their origin nor their source.
"They are abstract and subjective concepts in favor in the 17th and 18th centuries as justification to revolt against unjust laws and tyrannical governments. Nothing more, nothing less."
"Liberty" is the Holy Bible's Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12) condensed into a single word.
Liberty means the right and power to think, act, and express ones self in the manner of ones own choosing; provided that Liberty does not infringe or usurp the Liberty of another or others.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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It's a little more complicated than that.
a) I'm not sure Jefferson was a theist, and may more closely been a deist.
Thomas Jefferson wrote the rough draft of the DOI; John Adams and Ben Franklin were the editors.
Jefferson originally wrote:
"We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable ..." Jefferson
Franklin expresses his reservation about that phrasing to Jefferson. Franklin explained; we're founding a new country. It's not based on assertions of religion. It's based on assertions of reason. We should reflect that religious tolerance in this writing.
source: Walter Isaacson: author of: Benjamin Franklin: An American Life
b) The final more familiar wording kills several birds with a single stone.
- It helped get the otherwise unrelenting barrage of theist antagonists on a temporary time-out.
- It helped illustrate that human rights have a nobler origin than a gift from government; that instead governments should not usurp them, but are neither their origin nor their source.
"They are abstract and subjective concepts in favor in the 17th and 18th centuries as justification to revolt against unjust laws and tyrannical governments. Nothing more, nothing less."
"Liberty" is the Holy Bible's Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12) condensed into a single word.
Liberty means the right and power to think, act, and express ones self in the manner of ones own choosing; provided that Liberty does not infringe or usurp the Liberty of another or others.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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SmarterthanYou
rebel
(laughing) I have yet to see a cogent argument, especially from you, cretin.
Keep struggling, motherfucker.
dude, you're starting to sound like a more detached from reality evince. it's pitiful
"Then how do you know what the Creator had in mind when he endowed those natural rights? Answer - you don't." d7
It's a little more complicated than that.
a) I'm not sure Jefferson was a theist, and may more closely been a deist.
Thomas Jefferson wrote the rough draft of the DOI; John Adams and Ben Franklin were the editors.
Jefferson originally wrote:
"We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable ..." Jefferson
Franklin expresses his reservation about that phrasing to Jefferson. Franklin explained; we're founding a new country. It's not based on assertions of religion. It's based on assertions of reason. We should reflect that religious tolerance in this writing.
source: Walter Isaacson: author of: Benjamin Franklin: An American Life
b) The final more familiar wording kills several birds with a single stone.
- It helped get the otherwise unrelenting barrage of theist antagonists on a temporary time-out.
- It helped illustrate that human rights have a nobler origin than a gift from government; that instead governments should not usurp them, but are neither their origin nor their source.
"They are abstract and subjective concepts in favor in the 17th and 18th centuries as justification to revolt against unjust laws and tyrannical governments. Nothing more, nothing less."
"Liberty" is the Holy Bible's Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12) condensed into a single word.
Liberty means the right and power to think, act, and express ones self in the manner of ones own choosing; provided that Liberty does not infringe or usurp the Liberty of another or others.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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I don't know if most of the founders were deists, but many were. Jefferson had a disdain for organized religion and those who authored the gospels. He was in direct contradiction to himself and the conditions of the day when penning some of the words in the Declaration.
dude, you're starting to sound like a more detached from reality evince. it's pitiful
lol
That's the best you have, cuntwhistle? Get the fuck off this thread.
"He was in direct contradiction to himself and the conditions of the day when penning some of the words in the Declaration." d7 #246
Some Jeffersonian rhetoric was nearly Clintonian in scale, and for quite similar reason.
You call it contradicting himself.
I believe a more enlightened interpretation is that Jefferson developed the skill of brushing up against invoking the supernatural, without actually invoking it.
"... they are endowed by their Creator with ...".
"Creator" [capitalized] could be:
- Zeus
- Brahma
- Jehovah
- Allah
- Stevie
- evolution
- WHATEVER !!
Take Jefferson for a fool at your own peril.
Some Jeffersonian rhetoric was nearly Clintonian in scale, and for quite similar reason.
You call it contradicting himself.
I believe a more enlightened interpretation is that Jefferson developed the skill of brushing up against invoking the supernatural, without actually invoking it.
"... they are endowed by their Creator with ...".
"Creator" [capitalized] could be:
- Zeus
- Brahma
- Jehovah
- Allah
- Stevie
- evolution
- WHATEVER !!
Take Jefferson for a fool at your own peril.
"He was in direct contradiction to himself and the conditions of the day when penning some of the words in the Declaration." d7 #246
Some Jeffersonian rhetoric was nearly Clintonian in scale, and for quite similar reason.
You call it contradicting himself.
I believe a more enlightened interpretation is that Jefferson developed the skill of brushing up against invoking the supernatural, without actually invoking it.
"... they are endowed by their Creator with ...".
"Creator" [capitalized] could be:
- Zeus
- Brahma
- Jehovah
- Allah
- Stevie
- evolution
- WHATEVER !!
Take Jefferson for a fool at your own peril.
Watch yourself for your comprehension difficulties. Never have I represented Jefferson as a fool.
"All men are created equal" was a direct and personal contradiction for TJ when the ink was still wet.
And the concept of the "Creator" at the time did not include any of your "coulds". They meant one of a couple. The Christian god or the deist god.
and yet, you support such a system wholeheartedly with your devotion to the state. why is that?
What system? What state? Sober up and go and shoot Trump, do!
"Watch yourself for your comprehension difficulties. Never have I represented Jefferson as a fool." #249
"He was in direct contradiction to himself" #246
It's a universally recognized fact that only geniuses contradict themselves.
How fortunate I am to have a genius like you to assail my comprehension.
"He was in direct contradiction to himself" #246
It's a universally recognized fact that only geniuses contradict themselves.
How fortunate I am to have a genius like you to assail my comprehension.