How Did Hamas Acquire Advanced Rockets?

Your lack of insight into the history of U.S/Iran policy is noted....

Awesome! :thup:

Meanwhile, back to US support for Israel against the terrorists:

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israel-ukraine-war-49354728b347178a4bf7508a0dc8f1d2
Biden declares Israel and Ukraine support is vital for US security, will ask Congress for billions
Declaring that U.S. leadership “holds the world together,” President Joe Biden told Americans on Thursday night the country must deepen its support of Ukraine and Israel in the middle of two vastly different, unpredictable and bloody wars...

....“History has taught us when terrorists don’t pay a price for their terror, when dictators don’t pay a price for their aggression, they cause more chaos and death and more destruction,” Biden said. “They keep going. And the cost and the threat to America and the world keep rising.”
 
Arms dealers do business, not politics. God knows how many fascist/authoritarian countries the US dealt arms to over the decades.

And another thing; WTF does Biden and the Pentagon get off sending financial aid to Israel? WE HAVE BEEN SENDING THEM OVER $2 BILLION EVERY TWO YEARS FOR DECADES! Where has that money been going?
 
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More on Hamas weapons and supplies.

October 13, 2023
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/middleeast/hamas-weapons-invs/index.html
Homemade rockets and modified AK-47s: An annotated look at Hamas’ deadly arsenal
CNN analyzed dozens of photos and videos of Hamas militants during the surprise assault to identify the weapons used to kill at least 1,200 people in Israel. Many of the weapons appeared to be altered Russian or Chinese firearms, presumedly left behind on the battlefield in decades past that eventually made their way into the hands of Hamas terrorists, experts say.

One expert described how the intricately planned assault, in which Hamas terrorists infiltrated Israel by land, sea and air, reflects a change in Hamas’ overall military strategy. Others believe certain firearms were likely supplied from Iran, which the US State Department has said bolsters the terrorist group with money, military equipment and training.

The group operates out of Gaza, a strip of Mediterranean coastal land bordered by Israel and Egypt, which has been cut off from the rest of the world since 2007 when Hamas seized control of the territory, prompting Israel and Egypt to impose a blockade on it.

It’s fertile ground for a condemned terror group to scavenge and transform weapons for guerrilla warfare.

While the weapons are far less sophisticated than Israel’s standards – that country’s military has access to some of the best equipment the US can provide – their impact made for an unprecedented level of devastation.

“Those are weapons of mass destruction in my eyes,” said Ret. US Army Major Mike Lyons, referring to portable surface-to-air missiles that can be seen in at least one video reviewed by CNN.

But Hamas’ fighters don’t need sophisticated equipment to be deadly, Lyons said. “They just need to create terror.”...

...Hamas has long depended on rockets to fight its asymmetrical battles with Israel. On Saturday alone, the militant group claimed it fired 5,000 rockets on Israel, most of which were intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome air defense system.

Still, the sheer number of rockets has at times overwhelmed the Iron Dome, a state-of-the art system equipped with a radar to detect incoming projectiles and shoot them down.

Some even landed unexploded in Israeli homes. In a short video posted on Telegram, a man shows the remains of a Hamas rocket protruding through a bedroom ceiling. The rocket appears to be an unexploded Qassam or Saraya al-Quds rocket, said a British researcher who runs Calibre Obscura, a website that identifies weapons. Both rockets are identified, the researcher noted, by the groups that use them: Hamas’ military wing, known as the Izz al-Din al-Qassam brigades; and the al-Quds brigade of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a rival Islamist group in the Gaza Strip.

Hamas produces the vast majority of its own Qassam rockets these days, said the researcher, given the difficulties of smuggling in larger rockets into the blockaded Gaza Strip. How the group manufactures the makeshift rockets is less known. In previous battles with Israel, Hamas was known to have fired rockets made of old water pipes, the researcher noted.

A senior Hamas official based in Lebanon gave details of the group’s weapons manufacturing in an edited interview with Russia Today’s Arabic-news channel RT Arabic published on their website on Sunday.

“We have local factories for everything, for rockets with ranges of 250 km, for 160 km, 80km, and 10 km. We have factories for mortars and their shells. … We have factories for Kalashnikovs (rifles) and their bullets. We’re manufacturing the bullets with permission from the Russians. We’re building it in Gaza,” Ali Baraka, head of Hamas National Relations Abroad, told the outlet.

But former US officials say there is little question the massive stockpile of weapons used in Saturday’s attack was acquired and assembled with help from Iran.
 
A ground assault into Gaza will be difficult, which might explain why using missiles, drones and airstrikes are preferrable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...omb-that-us-troops-feared-in-iraq/ar-AA1iwQEq
Captured Hamas weapons hint that if Israeli forces invade Gaza, they could face a deadly improvised bomb that US troops feared in Iraq
  • A video released by the IDF shows captured Hamas weapons from the October 7 terrorist attack in Israel.
  • Explosively formed penetrator IEDs, Iranian-engineered weapons, were spotted in the cache.
  • EFPs were some of the deadliest explosives US forces faced in Iraq, ripping through troops and armor.

Images of a captured Hamas weapons cache showed a kind of improvised explosive device that terrified US forces in Iraq and could prove a deadly challenge in any Israeli invasion of Gaza,

The Israel Defense Force (IDF) released video footage this week of weapons confiscated from Hamas after the October 7 terror attacks. In the video, which the IDF says shows only a fraction of weapons used in the deadly attacks, a variety of rockets, missiles, mines, and grenades are visible.

Other videos, like one captured by MSNBC and Ynetnews, an Israeli daily news outlet, show even more, including what retired US Army officer and Chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute John Spencer, has identified as explosively formed penetrator (EFP) improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

"It looks like among the many challenges the @IDF will face in a ground campaign into Gaza is one we feared on a daily basis in Iraq - the Iranian engineering Explosively formed penetrator (EFP) IED," Spencer wrote on X, the social media platform formally known as Twitter....
 
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Eisenhower deposed Mosaddegh because of his closeness to the Soviets. It was a real danger considering that he got far too close to the Tudeh party aka the Communist party of Iran as well. This was just after WW2 and oil was king, the West was terrified that the Soviets would take over the Persian oilfields and shut them out.

Iran has our oil. They put the Shah in to get it.
 
Iran has our oil. They put the Shah in to get it.

You have a total inability to think outside the box. Mosaddegh nationalised the oil industry, became extremely pally with the Soviets and wanted to kick out the West. Given the circumstances I'm not surprised that the West acted as they did.
 
Arms dealers do business, not politics. God knows how many fascist/authoritarian countries the US dealt arms to over the decades.

And another thing; WTF does Biden and the Pentagon get off sending financial aid to Israel? WE HAVE BEEN SENDING THEM OVER $2 BILLION EVERY TWO YEARS FOR DECADES! Where has that money been going?
Most in this nation don't really pay attention, because our support for bad actors typically isn't front page news.

Ironically, trump brought some of our policies into the sunlight because he was too stupid to understand that foreign policy is not a zero sum game.

We gladly have a trade deficit with certain nations as long as they let us build military bases, etc..
 
Awesome! :thup:

Meanwhile, back to US support for Israel against the terrorists:

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israel-ukraine-war-49354728b347178a4bf7508a0dc8f1d2
Biden declares Israel and Ukraine support is vital for US security, will ask Congress for billions
Declaring that U.S. leadership “holds the world together,” President Joe Biden told Americans on Thursday night the country must deepen its support of Ukraine and Israel in the middle of two vastly different, unpredictable and bloody wars...

....“History has taught us when terrorists don’t pay a price for their terror, when dictators don’t pay a price for their aggression, they cause more chaos and death and more destruction,” Biden said. “They keep going. And the cost and the threat to America and the world keep rising.”
Awesome. Back to Bibi's atrocities and Biden's stern warning


Following hours of talks with Netanyahu and his war cabinet, Biden said Israel had agreed to allow the opening of the Egypt-Gaza border to deliveries of desperately needed food, water and medical supplies after an 11-day total blockade on condition that the humanitarian assistance was not diverted by Hamas for its own use.
“The Palestinian people are suffering greatly as well, and we mourn the loss of innocent Palestinian lives like the entire world,” the US president said. “The people of Gaza need food, water, medicine and shelter.”
 
You have a total inability to think outside the box. Mosaddegh nationalised the oil industry, became extremely pally with the Soviets and wanted to kick out the West. Given the circumstances I'm not surprised that the West acted as they did.

Wrong as usual. Nationalizing was the problem because the British and American oil companies wanted the oil and the profits. Can you understand why they wanted the west out? If you have trouble understanding it look at what we did to them when we installed the Shah. We proved what we were like and it was ugly. We have a history of installing corrupt leaders around the world. As Smedley Butler wrote in"War is a Racket," he was a general who went around the globe fighting for American corporations. He regretted what he did.
Perkins wrote "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" telling about how they took over burgeoning countries making them deep in American debt and control.
We are what we are.
 
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Wrong as usual. Nationalizing was the problem because the British and American oil companies wanted the oil and the profits. Can you understand why they wanted the west out? If you have trouble understanding it look at what we did to them when we installed the Shah. We proved what we were like and it was ugly. We have a history of installing corrupt leaders around the world. As Smedley Butler wrote in"War is a Racket," he was a general who went around the globe fighting for American corporations. He regretted what he did.

As usual you only see one aspect, the Soviets would have dearly loved to have controlled Iranian oil. Sadly you've proven many times to be totally unable to see the big picture.

The Shah wasn't unpopular until well after his return to power and subsequent crackdown on Islamists. Mossadegh only had moderate support but it was rapidly fading because he was radically pursuing dictatorial powers and cozying up to the Soviets. His support within the elite was certainly fading which is what made the coup possible.

The CIA supported the coup planners but the effort had local support. Unfortunately, those events are often the focus for conspiracy theorists looking to point at the CIA as the devil incarnate and Mossadegh a saint.
 
As usual you only see one aspect, the Soviets would have dearly loved to have controlled Iranian oil. Sadly you've proven many times to be totally unable to see the big picture.

The Shah wasn't unpopular until well after his return to power and subsequent crackdown on Islamists. Mossadegh only had moderate support but it was rapidly fading because he was radically pursuing dictatorial powers and cozying up to the Soviets. His support within the elite was certainly fading which is what made the coup possible.

The CIA supported the coup planners but the effort had local support. Unfortunately, those events are often the focus for conspiracy theorists looking to point at the CIA as the devil incarnate and people like Mossadegh a saint.

Typical Nutberg behaviour, won't see him for dust now.
 
The rockets Hamas and Hezbollah use are almost stone age by today's technology.

I could go down to my local Harbor Freight tool store and for less than $1000 get the tooling necessary to build one. The fuel is any of a number of old formulas like GALCIT 27, 43, 53, or 61 using a cross-section developed by the Allegany Ballistics Laboratory. I can go to the local steel and aluminum vendor for those materials.

It isn't hard to do as it's all 1940's technology. In fact, I bet I could improve on their design easily for improved accuracy without much in the way of active guidance.

That's how primitive the rockets Hamas et al., use. It's as if they don't have anyone with more than a 8th grade education in their ranks.
 
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