How did Colonel Gaddafi get away with such evil for so long?

Milagro said:
You were telling how benign he was before!!
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benign? No I've always said the obvious "Qadaffi was a dictator"
I did say he was the best for his people -even with uneven rule, Libya had a high standard of living, free medical care etc.
Compare that to now.

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^Bengazi

I''ve also said he would have squashed the NTC like the cockroaches they were ,if we hadn't attacked him.

Notice in ALL of this the NTC never picks up any popular support on their offensive - how can this be a populist revolution?

They were just as Qaddafi said they were " al-Qaeda beasts from the east wearing turbans"
 
"We came, we saw, he died!” she (Clinton) exclaimed.

Two days before Qaddafi's death, Mrs. Clinton had taken a triumphal tour of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, and for weeks top aides had been circulating a “ticktock” that described her starring role in the events that had led to this moment.
The timeline, her top policy aide, Jake Sullivan, wrote, demonstrated Mrs. Clinton’s “leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country’s Libya policy from start to finish.” The memo’s language put her at the center of everything: “HRC announces … HRC directs … HRC travels

was a brag sheet for a cabinet member eyeing a presidential race, and the Clinton team’s eagerness to claim credit for her prompted eye-rolling at the White House and the Pentagon. Some joked that to hear her aides tell it, she had practically called in the airstrikes herself.

But there were plenty of signs that the triumph would be short-lived, that the vacuum left by Colonel Qaddafi’s death invited violence and division.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/libya-isis-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
 
anatta said:
benign? No I've always said the obvious "Qadaffi was a dictator"
I did say he was the best for his people -even with uneven rule, Libya had a high standard of living, free medical care etc.
Compare that to now.

22libya-full-bleed-superJumbo-v5.jpg

^Bengazi

I''ve also said he would have squashed the NTC like the cockroaches they were ,if we hadn't attacked him.

Notice in ALL of this the NTC never picks up any popular support on their offensive - how can this be a populist revolution?

They were just as Qaddafi said they were " al-Qaeda beasts from the east wearing turbans"
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Hey Kreskin; no one knows how the Libya civil war would have gone.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
 
Libya's Grand Mufti decries human rights abuses in Qirnada prison

Libya's Grand Mufti has denounced torture and abuses inside Dignity Operation's notorious Qirnada prison in the eastern city of Shahat, describing them as unspeakable cruelty.

In a televised address Monday night on Eid Al-Fitr, which starts on Wednesday, Sheikh Sadiq Al-Gharyani called all people to condemn those atrocities, indicating that if Khalifa Haftar's crimes continue, prisons similar to Qirnada would be set up in all Libyan cities.

"Men are raped inside that prison," he said, calling for demolition of such prisons and release of oppressed prisoners.

Last week, social media activists said the detainees in Qirnada prison, most of them are anti-Dignity Operation, went on hunger strike to protest their continued arbitrary detention and brutal treatment they receive. They added that prison guards are targeting the inmates' sensitive parts of the body and injured areas.

In his address, the Mufti criticized the outcome of Skhirat agreement, saying it has added misery to the people.
The western countries have installed a government to serve their interests and comply with their instructions," he said.

http://www.libyaobserver.ly/news/libyas-grand-mufti-decries-human-rights-abuses-qirnada-prison

* "western countreis gov't" = Unity gov't -based in Tripoli but with little reach

*Dignity Operation/Khalifa Haftar's = eastern based gov't -anti-Islamist

5+ years after 2011 Libya is still in political turmoil, some of the extreme violence is down
 
anatta said:
Libya's Grand Mufti has denounced torture and abuses inside Dignity Operation's notorious Qirnada prison in the eastern city of Shahat, describing them as unspeakable cruelty.

In a televised address Monday night on Eid Al-Fitr, which starts on Wednesday, Sheikh Sadiq Al-Gharyani called all people to condemn those atrocities, indicating that if Khalifa Haftar's crimes continue, prisons similar to Qirnada would be set up in all Libyan cities.

"Men are raped inside that prison," he said, calling for demolition of such prisons and release of oppressed prisoners.

Last week, social media activists said the detainees in Qirnada prison, most of them are anti-Dignity Operation, went on hunger strike to protest their continued arbitrary detention and brutal treatment they receive. They added that prison guards are targeting the inmates' sensitive parts of the body and injured areas.

In his address, the Mufti criticized the outcome of Skhirat agreement, saying it has added misery to the people.
The western countries have installed a government to serve their interests and comply with their instructions," he said.

http://www.libyaobserver.ly/news/libyas-grand-mufti-decries-human-rights-abuses-qirnada-prison

* "western countreis gov't" = Unity gov't -based in Tripoli but with little reach

*Dignity Operation/Khalifa Haftar's = eastern based gov't -anti-Islamist

5+ years after 2011 Libya is still in political turmoil, some of the extreme violence is down
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Yes shithead that is what often results from civil war. You fucking idiot.
 
Rune said:
Hey Kreskin; no one knows how the Libya civil war would have gone.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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bullshit. Misrata was surrounded, and Bengazi was being liberated.
There would have been no rebel advances towards Sirte/Tripoli
 
anatta said:
bullshit. Misrata was surrounded, and Bengazi was being liberated.
There would have been no rebel advances towards Sirte/Tripoli
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You cannot prove your thesis ( your words prove nothing)
There is no way to determine the outcome.
It is impossible.
To presume you can is rhe height of arrogance.
 
Rune said:
You cannot prove your thesis ( your words prove nothing)
There is no way to determine the outcome.
It is impossible.
To presume you can is rhe height of arrogance.
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dumb ass f*ckstick

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/23387/lessons_from_libya.html
THE INTERVENTION BACKFIRED

The biggest misconception about NATO's intervention is that it saved lives and benefited Libya and its neighbors. In reality, when NATO intervened in mid-March 2011, Qaddafi already had regained control of most of Libya, while the rebels were retreating rapidly toward Egypt.
Thus, the conflict was about to end, barely six weeks after it started, at a toll of about 1,000 dead, including soldiers, rebels, and civilians caught in the crossfire.
By intervening, NATO enabled the rebels to resume their attack, which prolonged the war for another seven months and caused at least 7,000 more deaths.
Radical Islamist groups, suppressed under Qaddafi, emerged as the fiercest rebels during the war and refused to disarm or submit to government authority afterward
 
Rune said:
Yes shithead that is what often results from civil war. You fucking idiot.
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well there you have it then......."its what usually results from a civil war", but then again "no one knows how the civil war could have gone"......you just can't win for losing......
 
anatta said:
dumb ass f*ckstick

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/23387/lessons_from_libya.html
THE INTERVENTION BACKFIRED

The biggest misconception about NATO's intervention is that it saved lives and benefited Libya and its neighbors. In reality, when NATO intervened in mid-March 2011, Qaddafi already had regained control of most of Libya, while the rebels were retreating rapidly toward Egypt.
Thus, the conflict was about to end, barely six weeks after it started, at a toll of about 1,000 dead, including soldiers, rebels, and civilians caught in the crossfire.
By intervening, NATO enabled the rebels to resume their attack, which prolonged the war for another seven months and caused at least 7,000 more deaths.
Radical Islamist groups, suppressed under Qaddafi, emerged as the fiercest rebels during the war and refused to disarm or submit to government authority afterward
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Opinion.
Not fact sorry.
You can't prove an unknown so stop trying fool.
 
anatta said:
benign? No I've always said the obvious "Qadaffi was a dictator"
I did say he was the best for his people -even with uneven rule, Libya had a high standard of living, free medical care etc.
Compare that to now.

^Bengazi

I''ve also said he would have squashed the NTC like the cockroaches they were ,if we hadn't attacked him.

Notice in ALL of this the NTC never picks up any popular support on their offensive - how can this be a populist revolution?

They were just as Qaddafi said they were " al-Qaeda beasts from the east wearing turbans"
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Update: I'm more than halfway through the book. Should finish it tonight.
 
Mass grave and secret ISIS jail found in Libya: Three abused prisoners in 'dire condition' are discovered among pile of bodies after being held for months

•The discoveries were made in the Lybian city of Sirte, an ISIS stronghold
•Three prisoners said to have been found in 'dire humanitarian conditions'
•Seven bodies found in mass grave on farmland in the west of the city
•ISIS overran the city last year, turning it into a public execution hotbed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ition-discovered-pile-bodies-held-months.html

Having claimed Sirte as one of its strongholds last spring, the battle to cleanse the city of IS militants has continued to progress through government forces.

Last week, fighters allied to the Government of National Accord encircled IS in the Ouagadougou conference centre – a huge building the group has made as its headquarters.

"Fighting is ongoing around the presidential palaces close to the port and at the Ouagadougou conference centre," the spokesman for the anti-IS operation, Mohammad al-Ghasry, told The New Arab.

"Ground troops are working in conjunction with snipers, while artillery and the air force are bombarding the conference centre and the neighbouring district. We have almost taken back the whole of Sirte," he added.

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^ Sirte
 
christiefan915 said:
Maybe a con will explain how we could congratulate bush for getting rid of Saddam while excoriating Hillary for orchestrating the removal of Gaddafi.

What a vile piece of work Colonel Gaddafi was.

For some of you, perhaps, this will be a statement of the glaringly obvious. But I suspect there will be many others for whom, like me, this week’s Storyville documentary on the barbarity of his regime — Mad Dog: Gaddafi’s Secret World (BBC4, Monday) — was something of a revelation.

Sure, we’d all heard about the funny stuff... But the nastier stuff came as news to me: killing his foreign secretary, then keeping him in a deep-freeze in his palace so that he could regularly have a gloat over the body; visiting classrooms of 15- and 16-year-old girls, patting the ones he fancied on their heads, then having them dragged off by his security, gynaecologically inspected and shown pornographic videos (to educate them in his expectations) before raping them and then having them put away in asylums; deliberately shooting down one of his own domestic airliners, partly for the sheer hell of it, partly as a ruse to show the West that its sanctions were hurting Libya so badly that it couldn’t afford to maintain its own aircraft…

Perhaps I’m being naive here, given the murder outside the Libyan embassy in London of PC Yvonne Fletcher, not to mention the destruction of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie. A dictator capable of such barbarities, surely, would be capable of anything? Well, yes, indeed. But how could we be sure he was personally responsible?

What becomes pretty clear watching this fascinating, supremely well-researched documentary — filmed everywhere from South Africa to Cuba, interviewing everyone from his arms dealer Frank Terpil to his head of protocol and one of his female bodyguards — is that Gaddafi was in it up to the neck in all these crimes and more. We haven’t even touched, yet, on the victims of every IRA bomb containing Semtex shipped from Libyan ports; nor on the women and children butchered in the Sierra Leonean and Liberian civil wars that Gaddafi bankrolled and that cost the lives of more than a million people...

It suited Gaddafi’s interests, obviously, because it enabled him to get away with murder, while terrifying his people and perpetually wrongfooting his subordinates with his Caligula-like capriciousness. It suited the leaders of the West — Reagan and Thatcher among the few exceptions — because Libya’s oil reserves were too useful.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/why-the-west-let-gaddafi-get-away-with-murder/
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Just came across this thread!

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Reagan launched a U.S. bombing raid on Malomar Quadaffy w/ B1's from Diego Garcia.
They didn't get Quadaffy. But they got a close relative, and shook Quadaffy up enough to get him to dump his WMD.

Obama was more effective than Reagan, and now Quadaffy is gone.

The problem is;
that accomplished for Libya the same chaos instilling consequence taking the tyrant out of Baghdad had on Iraq.

It's time we relearned a very important lesson.

"American people are friends of Liberty everywhere, but custodians only of their own." John Adams

"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 12 June 1815
 
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