Yakuda
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You idiots laud places like the Nordic countries as the ideal but that is the LAST thing you ding dongs want
HOUSE Resolution Condemns SOCIALISM
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The main difference is that socialism is a broad economic system that advocates for social ownership of the means of production, while democratic socialism is a political ideology that seeks to achieve socialist goals through democratic and electoral processes within a capitalist framework. Democratic socialists believe the government should use democratic means to regulate capitalism, redistribute wealth, and provide social services, whereas traditional socialism may advocate for a more complete and radical overthrow of the capitalist system.
Socialism
Definition: An economic and political system where the community or the state owns and controls the means of production (such as factories and land), not private individuals or corporations.
Focus: Primarily on the economic structure of society and the transfer of ownership from private to public control.
Forms: Can be implemented through various means, including both democratic and authoritarian approaches.
Democratic Socialism
Definition: A political ideology that works within a capitalist system to achieve socialist aims. It uses the democratic political process to gain power and implement policies.
Focus: On using government power to regulate the economy, increase social welfare, and reduce inequality through policies like high taxes, a strong social safety net, and public control of essential services.
Key difference: It does not necessarily call for the complete abolition of private property or capitalism, but rather seeks to control and mitigate its negative aspects through democratic government action.
Examples: In the US, examples of policies that align with democratic socialism include Social Security, Medicare, and public schools.
Okay...no reason for you to get something correct at this point.
Keep at it, Yakuda. I love ya. You bring laughter to everyone.
T. A. Gardner
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So, no difference since "democratic socialism" as defined above is really just statist capitalism which is just a form of socialism.
What is described above as "democratic socialism" isn't so much intended to "mitigate (capitalism's) negative aspects," but rather to make an attempt to generate the necessary wealth that will allow socialism to work.
In short, it is an admission that socialism doesn't work and tries to polish that turd by reintroducing capitalism on a tight leash.
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AProudLefty
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Admission or not, it operates within a framework of Capitalism.
It does not seek to turn the government socialist.
But rather seek socialist programs within, especially the businesses. Those type of business have been successful. Example: Nvidia.
T. A. Gardner
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Capitalism works and can tolerate a degree of socialism in it. Socialism cannot tolerate capitalism and seeks to minimize it since pure socialism doesn't work and some capitalism is necessary to stoke what would otherwise be a perpetual motion machine.
It has to turn the government socialist. How else can you impose socialism in any degree on society?
Socialism doesn't work because it defies human nature and for that matter, physics really. It argues that entropy doesn't exist and that perpetual motion does.
Nice try, TA. I give ya a c+.
T. A. Gardner
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Okay. Take away the "+."
AProudLefty
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Democratic socialists do not advocate pure socialism and replacing capitalism. That's a gaslighting lie done by certain GOP members.
People paying taxes for things such as roads and the police does not turn the government socialist. It is still under capitalism.
You forgot that Democratic socialism is not the same as pure socialism.
No Democrat has advocated for pure socialism that will turn the government into Communism as falsely claimed.
I can claim that Republicans advocate for unfettered Capitalism that will turn our government Fascist.
T. A. Gardner
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Capitalism in a socialist society is just less regulated socialism.
In socialism, eventually there are no taxpayers only those receiving government "benefits."
No I didn't. Adding an adjective to "socialism" doesn't make it less socialist.
That's like saying no Democrat has advocated for universal government run healthcare.
Unfettered capitalism can be rapacious, but at least it works. Socialism doesn't work. Fascism requires socialism to work. That's why it doesn't work.
What is wrong with socialism?Even 86 Democrats voted to condemn socialism
By logical extension (if one dares to presume Dems are capable of logic) they are also condemning:
* Their presumed potential candidates for president, who so far are all socialists
* The Dem candidates for Californicator governor, who so far are all socialists
* The new Dem mayors of N.Y.C. & Seattle who are both socialists
* The Dem party's big financial contributors
* The Dem's voting base, including their socialist youth
* Academia
And get this: Hakeem Jeffries voted to condemn socialism. Does this mean the New York
congressman Jeffries condemns the new socialist N.Y.C. mayor Mamdani?
Link below gives the names of the 86 Dems that voted to condemn socialism:
Full list of Democrats voting to condemn socialism as Zohran Mamdani comes to town
The House of Representatives voted on a resolution condemning socialism ahead of President Trump's meeting with Zohran Mamdani.www.newsweek.com
Capitalism=Socialism. Great logic.
T. A. Gardner
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You are retarded. Socialism doesn't work. So, socialists introduce heavily regulated, inefficient, forms of capitalism to prop up their socialism.
I am not retarded.
Crepitus
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So when is the vote to condemn fascism gonna be held?Even 86 Democrats voted to condemn socialism
By logical extension (if one dares to presume Dems are capable of logic) they are also condemning:
* Their presumed potential candidates for president, who so far are all socialists
* The Dem candidates for Californicator governor, who so far are all socialists
* The new Dem mayors of N.Y.C. & Seattle who are both socialists
* The Dem party's big financial contributors
* The Dem's voting base, including their socialist youth
* Academia
And get this: Hakeem Jeffries voted to condemn socialism. Does this mean the New York
congressman Jeffries condemns the new socialist N.Y.C. mayor Mamdani?
Link below gives the names of the 86 Dems that voted to condemn socialism:
Full list of Democrats voting to condemn socialism as Zohran Mamdani comes to town
The House of Representatives voted on a resolution condemning socialism ahead of President Trump's meeting with Zohran Mamdani.
Social Security is socialism. Most Americans want it.
