Hot real estate market a red flag?

cawacko

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Working in the industry there is concern over another bubble.



Hot U.S. real estate a potential red flag: Fed's Rosengren


The run-up in U.S. real estate prices could potentially amplify any future economic downturn, a Federal Reserve official said on Tuesday, urging regulators globally to consider tools beyond interest rates that could help cool the sector.

A sharp downturn in U.S. residential and commercial property prices in 2007 and 2008 rocked banks that were highly leveraged in the sector, sparking the global financial crisis and deep recession. With the economic recovery now well under way, bank holdings of commercial and apartment mortgages rose 9 percent and 12 percent, respectively, in the past year.

Eric Rosengren, president of the Boston Fed and an influential financial regulator at the U.S. central bank, said the "sharp" rise in apartment prices in particular may signal financial instabilities that interest rates, which are only gradually rising, may not be able to contain.

"Because real estate holdings are widespread, and the monetary and macroprudential tools for handling valuation concerns are somewhat limited, I believe we must acknowledge that the commercial real estate sector has the potential to amplify whatever problems may emerge when we at some point face an economic downturn," Rosengren said in prepared remarks for delivery to a banking supervision conference in Bali, Indonesia.

He noted that real estate has repeatedly played a big role in episodes of financial instability, and that prices are now outpacing growth in building owners' operating income.

Since equilibrium interest rates - the Fed's traditional tool to guide the economy - could remain lower than decades past, Rosengren said, "this would require a greater emphasis on macroprudential tools if valuations became a source of concern."

Such tools include rules and restrictions on bank holdings. "It is prudent to keep a healthy, ongoing focus on the sufficiency of these tools and their ongoing enhancement," he added.


http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN16T06T
 
I've been reading about that, and also another round of "irrational exuberance" in the stock market.

I hope those reports are wrong. But I don't think we've really fixed the mistakes that led to the last crash in general. It's one of the inherent flaws of capitalism, imo - profit is really the only motivator, ultimately.
 
I've been reading about that, and also another round of "irrational exuberance" in the stock market.

I hope those reports are wrong. But I don't think we've really fixed the mistakes that led to the last crash in general. It's one of the inherent flaws of capitalism, imo - profit is really the only motivator, ultimately.

I don't know if I called it a flaw, it's kind of how the system "clenses" itself in a way. Anecdotal but I had dinner with two guys last night who were asking about (residential) real estate investment here in the Bay Area as they want to get into it. I told them my experiences but I went on about the thought we are in a bubble and they are at risk if they invest now. We can't do anything to stop people from investing but they go in now eyes wide open they could be buying at the peak.
 
Not sure why this is dated '17? The issues described in the article are more than 5 years old. The Wall St. crimes led to a bloated vacant homes market. This was quickly scooped up by a variety of hedge funds, and wealthy investors. You can question whether this leads to inflated prices due to lessened supply, but it's still a buyer's market in most of the country.

Given the promised repeal of Dodd/Frank, I don't have any faith in the last sentence of the OP.

In other news, the trump bump in the market, fueled mainly by a run on energy/bank equities, has officially crashed. The financial sector had its artificial bump based on the Dodd/Frank repeal. The stalled Anti America Healthcare bill has caused a pullback on the banking sector, now that they realize the 'no regulation' party will have to wait.

Which makes me happy. I'll wait for the end of this pullback before I put money into the sector.
 
Not sure why this is dated '17? The issues described in the article are more than 5 years old. The Wall St. crimes led to a bloated vacant homes market. This was quickly scooped up by a variety of hedge funds, and wealthy investors. You can question whether this leads to inflated prices due to lessened supply, but it's still a buyer's market in most of the country.

Given the promised repeal of Dodd/Frank, I don't have any faith in the last sentence of the OP.

In other news, the trump bump in the market, fueled mainly by a run on energy/bank equities, has officially crashed. The financial sector had its artificial bump based on the Dodd/Frank repeal. The stalled Anti America Healthcare bill has caused a pullback on the banking sector, now that they realize the 'no regulation' party will have to wait.

Which makes me happy. I'll wait for the end of this pullback before I put money into the sector.

Buyers market??????
 
Absolutely. Remove your blinders, and look past your insular market indicators.

Insular? I look at properties all over the country. Have you seen CRE prices? Housing prices have recovered. I have no idea what markets you look at the come to your conclusion.
 
Insular? I look at properties all over the country. Have you seen CRE prices? Housing prices have recovered. I have no idea what markets you look at the come to your conclusion.
So you're only talking about CRE? That's not an indicator of the entire market. At what point does the residential market become the commercial market when homes are scooped up by hedge funds?
 
So you're only talking about CRE? That's not an indicator of the entire market. At what point does the residential market become the commercial market when homes are scooped up by hedge funds?

I'm speaking on both sectors. Hedge fund ownership only inflates values.
 
I just hope that if there is one, and it kind of looks like it on the west coast, it bursts in 2019. That's when I'm looking to retire to the Puget Sound area. Whidbey Island is the area we've been watching for years now and at the moment it's a stretch to get something we want there. I wasn't always that way.
 
I just hope that if there is one, and it kind of looks like it on the west coast, it bursts in 2019. That's when I'm looking to retire to the Puget Sound area. Whidbey Island is the area we've been watching for years now and at the moment it's a stretch to get something we want there. I wasn't always that way.

Whidbey is a pretty sweet destination for that.
 
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