Honduras Crisis Forces Obama to Focus on Latin America

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The military coup against Honduran president Manuel Zelaya puts pressure on President Obama to break sharply with past American policies or risk massive defections in what remains of Latin America's goodwill.

Yesterday President Obama declared the coup was "not legal" and affirmed the Zelaya government's legitimacy, statements that were considered "very good" by Venezuelan diplomats interviewed by The Nation.

The Obama position is complicated by the history of US training of the Honduras armed forces, past involvement with shadowy death squads, and concern over Zelaya's alliance with the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas. In the background are memories of US complicity in the attempted coup against Venezuela's Hugo Chávez in 2002.

The issue will become paramount today as foreign ministers of the Organization of American States (OAS) meet in Washington, DC, to consider their response. The Venezuelans will be accompanied by the exiled Honduran foreign minister. Meanwhile, Zelaya is expected to be at the United Nations for meetings at the General Assembly. "This will be a turning point in the history of the OAS," observed the Venezuelan official.

Some Democratic insiders were expressing mixed feelings over the coup. Michael Tomasky's blog found it "complicated," before concluding that "a military coup is a military coup, I guess." Faith Smith, writing on the blog of Steve Clemons of the New American Foundation, found it "difficult to say which side is democratic." She noted approvingly that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, while criticizing the coup, offered "no specific support for Zelaya."

The choice for Obama is whether to side with a democratically elected government that happens to be a Venezuelan ally, or be ostracized by the governments of Latin America. Obama's policies have indicated a desire for modest and gradual rapprochement after the Bush years, without rapid or concrete changes. That gradualism will be tested today.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090713/hayden2

I'm betting this test proves him to be weak.
 
Demwit said:
I guess it is time for another invasion down there.
sigh.
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Invasion unnecessary brother .. but Obama had best stay on the correct side of this argument.

AFL-CIO: Honduras Coup Is ‘Unconscionable’

The AFL-CIO today called on the U.S. government and the international community, particularly the Organization of American States and the United Nations, to “make every effort” to restore constitutional order in Honduras and reinstate democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya, who was ousted in a military coup Sunday.

In a statement, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney called the coup “an unconscionable attack on the fundamental rights and liberties of the Honduran people.” He urged governments to condemn the coup and withhold recognition of the current government. Zelaya was ousted after pushing for a referendum on proposed changes that would allow the president to run for re-election and create new procedures for amending the constitution.

The recent internal conflict relating to the proposed constitutional referendum cannot in any way justify the extra-constitutional measures undertaken by the armed forces. These measures are a flagrant violation of the most basic democratic principles and of the rule of law.

Sweeney said eyewitness reports are coming in that thousands of people, including trade union members, were tear-gassed by the military simply for assembling to demand the return to democratic order and the reinstating of Zelaya.

We call on the United States government to also take all measures within its diplomatic powers to ensure that all Honduran civilians, and particularly trade unionists and social activists denouncing the coup, are safe and secure and will not be victimized by violence and repression.

Sweeney said the federation stands in solidarity with our sister organizations of Honduras, the national trade union centrals—the Unitary Central of Honduran Workers (CUTH), the Confederation of Honduran Workers (CTH) and the General Workers Central (CGT)—as well as with the Trade Union Confederation of the Americas (TUCA), representing more than 45 million workers of this hemisphere, in condemning the coup.

Meanwhile, three major public-sector unions in Honduras announced plans for a general strike today in support of Zelaya, according to CNN. “It will be an indefinite strike,” Oscar Garcia, vice president of the Honduran water workers union told CNN.

We don’t recognize this new government imposed by the oligarchy and we will mount our campaign of resistance until President Manuel Zelaya is restored to power.

Garcia estimated that 30,000 public-sector workers, as well as some private-sector workers and peasant farmers, might join the strike.
http://blog.aflcio.org/2009/06/30/afl-cio-honduras-coup-is-unconscionable/
 
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I'm guessing keeping Chavez happy is much less important to Obama, though is weak.
BAC the other day I forgott to bring up brothers Johnson which was played again in heavily in Will Farrells 70's movie Jakie Moon
 
Topspin said:
I'm guessing keeping Chavez happy is much less important to Obama, though is weak.
BAC the other day I forgott to bring up brothers Johnson which was played again in heavily in Will Farrells 70's movie Jakie Moon
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It isn't just Chavez my friend .. it's planet earth.

The Brothers Johnson .. Strawberry Letter 23 Live DVD

Recorded in Oakland, CA 2003, released 2005

Not their best performance and I'm a BIG fan .. but it's the only chance you have to see them close to where they were back in the day.
 
Mottleydude said:
You seem to have a vested interest in Obama failing as President?
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Wrong brother. I just call it as I see it.

I'll be more than happy to report and acknowledge when I'm wrong about him .. but up to this point he's governed just as I expected him to, with the exception of his seemingly toughness with Israel .. and I acknowledged that.

What I expect of him on Honduras is his usual typical weakness. If he's tougher than I expected I'll acknowledge that as well .. but I won't be holding my breath.

He's a centrist, thus always looking for the easy way out and will only get tougher when pushed.

Surely you've seen this.
 
Tower of Power's Uraban Renewal is one the the funkiest horns and with Lenny's vocals the album is classic
 
this was NOT a military coup because the military is currently not in the leadership regime, however, i'm sure that by telling the lie long enough, it will be accepted as truth
 
SmarterThanYou said:
this was NOT a military coup because the military is currently not in the leadership regime, however, i'm sure that by telling the lie long enough, it will be accepted as truth
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Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the world doesn't require your acknowledgement of what happened in Honduras. Everyone already knows it was a military coup.

Feel free to call it whatever you want, but the heat is on the fake Honduran government to re-install Zelaya .. who NOW has a very good chance at being president for more than one term.

You can call it what you want .. but to Zelaya, he can call it a gift.
 
blackascoal said:
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the world doesn't require your acknowledgement of what happened in Honduras. Everyone already knows it was a military coup.
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no, everyone already believes the bullshit lie that it was, but you obviously approve of the lie anyway.

blackascoal said:
Feel free to call it whatever you want, but the heat is on the fake Honduran government to re-install Zelaya .. who NOW has a very good chance at being president for more than one term.
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I'll call it exactly what it is, a government using its legal tools to remove a wannabe tyrant. The rest of the world can call it whatever it wants to, but they would simply be shoveling a load of bullshit down the worlds throat.

blackascoal said:
You can call it what you want .. but to Zelaya, he can call it a gift.
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so be happy that you and the rest of the world approve of tyranny.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
no, everyone already believes the bullshit lie that it was, but you obviously approve of the lie anyway.


I'll call it exactly what it is, a government using its legal tools to remove a wannabe tyrant. The rest of the world can call it whatever it wants to, but they would simply be shoveling a load of bullshit down the worlds throat.


so be happy that you and the rest of the world approve of tyranny.
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You would have made a great trout. Your swim upstream is a wonder to behold.

Argument on this issue is quite unnecessary because it's just too obvious to care about people who don't agree.

The only question that remains is how long before Zelaya is back in his office.
 
blackascoal said:
You would have made a great trout. Your swim upstream is a wonder to behold.

Argument on this issue is quite unnecessary because it's just too obvious to care about people who don't agree.

The only question that remains is how long before Zelaya is back in his office.
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and you can kiss my freedom loving ass, you hypocritical nazi socialist little bitch.

you smirk now, but i understand that bullshit lies are the only way you can see your utopia come about. you're more akin to Obama than you care to admit. :321:
 
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