HIV DOES NOT EQUAL AIDS

Damocles said:
Actually my link went through every one of yours and debunked it. The evidence that HIV causes AIDS is overwhelming.
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No it didn't Damo....all it did was give some convoluted logic that basically says just because HIV isn't present doesn't mean it's not there (or has been there) repeats points that the information I put forth contradicts. That's total bullshit.....the FACTS that I presented are from documented cases....what I put forth about Karposi Sarcoma is true. Do the research yourself, don't take my word for it. At one point Karposi Sarcoma was taken OFF the list of indicator/result of HIV=AIDS. Also, the "estimates" of deaths regarding HIV positive folks seems to ignore those who stopped medications and did not die, or those who did not receive any medication at all and did not die. And then there is the constant estimates of actual infections, which have been radically fluctuating for decades.

The "overwhelming" evidence remains so IF you avoid and ignore the key points I put forth, and experts in the field who have contrary information.
 
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LadyT said:
So Tach >>

Here's a question: Assuming you're HIV negative and you're going out with someone who's HIV positive, are you so sure HIV doesn't cause AIDS would you be willing to sleep with that person without using any protection?
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Yes, because we are dealing with ANTI-BODIES, not an active disease or virus.

If YOU were to go by your own criteria, then you should immediately stop having unprotected sex with your husband or boyfriend, because they are carrying anti-bodies of a whole lot of viruses and diseases past.

You see Lady T, THAT is the major flaw with the HIV mantra. Once the test show you have HIV anti-bodies, the current mind set is that any and all diseases you develop are a direct cause of it. (Note the test vary from Africa and Europe/North America....which is interesting being that HIV-AIDS is the ONLY disease where such anti-bodies test change for the same disease.). Over the last 20 years, the list of diseases that were independent (and treatable) but now are lumped together under the HIV-AIDS category has significantly grown. So getting slammed with a new category of anti-virals, etc., indirectly treat the active disease...and not all the time successfully. Meanwhile, a benign virus anti-body is being attacked, and the body has to deal with the detrimental side affects of these new drugs.
 
Taichiliberal said:
No it didn't Damo....all it did was give some convoluted logic that basically says just because HIV isn't present doesn't mean it's not there (or has been there) repeats points that the information I put forth contradicts. That's total bullshit.....the FACTS that I presented are from documented cases....what I put forth about Karposi Sarcoma is true. Do the research yourself, don't take my word for it. At one point Karposi Sarcoma was taken OFF the list of indicator/result of HIV=AIDS. Also, the "estimates" of deaths regarding HIV positive folks seems to ignore those who stopped medications and did not die, or those who did not receive any medication at all and did not die. And then there is the constant estimates of actual infections, which have been radically fluctuating for decades.

The "overwhelming" evidence remains so IF you avoid and ignore the key points I put forth, and experts in the field who have contrary information.
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Except it did, it listed the scientific evidence after each of the points. It was riveting. The evidence is so overwhelming, believing that HIV isn't associated to AIDS is about as probable as the Dragon in Watermark's closet.
 
Damocles said:
Except it did, it listed the scientific evidence after each of the points. It was riveting. The evidence is so overwhelming, believing that HIV isn't associated to AIDS is about as probable as the Dragon in Watermark's closet.
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The only "riveting" thing about your site is the wealth of information and FACTS it ignores and leaves out. Repeating yourself ad nauseum won't change that.

The "overwhelming" evidence remains so IF you avoid and ignore the key points and FACTS I put forth/sourced (ie, Karposi Sarcoma) on this thread, and experts in the field who have contrary information. Unless you've got something other than this tactic, I'd say we're done.
 
Taichiliberal said:
The only "riveting" thing about your site is the wealth of information and FACTS it ignores and leaves out. Repeating yourself ad nauseum won't change that.

The "overwhelming" evidence remains so IF you avoid and ignore the key points and FACTS I put forth/sourced (ie, Karposi Sarcoma) on this thread, and experts in the field who have contrary information. Unless you've got something other than this tactic, I'd say we're done.
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Then we're done. This is like trying to argue evolution theory with a creationist.

Then you keep repeating the same thing while accusing me of doing that and accuse me of "ignoring" evidence that was clearly debunked by the site you ignore... It's just astounding when normally intelligent people suddenly go off on things like this.

It's good enough, I really have no time to argue this, enough people have told me that I'm banging my head against a wall to let me know that this topic is useless, nor do I want to waste my time with a True Believer in something as improbable as this.

Anyway I'll give it one more try:

http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/myths

http://www.aegis.com/topics/basics/hivandaids.html

http://www.cappbc.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.EvidenceHIVcausesAIDS+& (posted previously, but it does deserve a repost).

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aids/causes.htm

Study after study comes to the same conclusions, because the evidence is overwhelmingly against your assertion that HIV is harmless.
 
Damocles said:
Then we're done. This is like trying to argue evolution theory with a creationist.

You're full of it Damo......you didn't address one counter point I made...you just kept repeating yourself and pointing to your source. I've presented SEVERAL points to SEVERAL aspects of this debate, and the posts prove me out on this. If anyone is just parroting dogma here, it's YOU!

Then you keep repeating the same thing while accusing me of doing that and accuse me of "ignoring" evidence that was clearly debunked by the site you ignore...

Stop lying, deluding yourself or start reading more carfully......I keep trying to get you to address the counter points I put forth....which you didn't and still don't (the post bare witness to this). When you don't and REPEAT yourself, I point it out and why. You want less repetition, then start responding with more detail to the counter points put forth. You're capable of doing this if you want.....being proven wrong or admitting that new information causes you to change your beliefs is no big deal...at least I don't feel that way.

It's good enough, I really have no time to argue this, enough people have told me that I'm banging my head against a wall to let me know that this topic is useless.
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Yeah, if those people do the same bullshit you've done here....then it's SO easy to accuse everyone else of being a wall. Trying to discuss a subject with closed minds and bullshit are a combination I can do without. You may have the last, predictable word here. See ya around another topic.
 
Damocles said:
Anyway I'll give it one more try:

http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/myths

http://www.aegis.com/topics/basics/hivandaids.html

http://www.cappbc.org/index.cfm?fuse...IVcausesAIDS+& (posted previously, but it does deserve a repost).

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hiv_aids/causes.htm

Study after study comes to the same conclusions, because the evidence is overwhelmingly against your assertion that HIV is harmless.
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And hope springs eternal:

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/whistleblowers.htm

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/Content/AIDSinAfrica/tabid/71/Default.aspx

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/Content/APhysiciansJournal/tabid/64/Default.aspx

http://www.garynull.com/aidsinfopage.php

Experts in the field and clinical evidence consistently contradict the propaganda that HIV=Aids, HIV-AIDS.
 
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