History Repeating Itself

Fascists are nationalists, like you. They support trade barriers and many of their policies are influenced by extreme xenophobia, like you. They oppose individual rights, like you. You are a fascist, who thinks if you can somehow change the labels it will make a difference. But, it won't. Your views are still stupid, unworkable and morally offensive.

The aspect of fascism im referring to is the collusion of big business and government. The new collusion between big government and business is internationalist in nature, and hostile to national identity and loyalties, and it seeks to brainwash people to believe that national loyalties are wrong, and that we should only be loyal to multinational corporations instead. Im open to new terms for it, but for the time being, internationalist fascism is the best one.

See. internationalist is an adjective describing the type of fascism.
Nothing but dishonest spin.
No. You said due process is more important that democratic processes. Stop lying.
Free elections are, without a doubt, preferable and some day I hope they come to the US. You can pretend I am making an argument against democracy all you like, but you are just full of shit.
You said it. Not me. Im sorry your true feelings slipped out and i nailed you on it. wait. NO im not.
Again, the point is that due process is THE key ingredient for liberty and Ditzy is opposed to it.


But due process is a result of laws. And who makes laws is important.
 
oh and desiring trade barriers is protectionism, not fascism. Protectionism is a tried and true technique for protecting key industries and other things.
 
The aspect of fascism im referring to is the collusion of big business and government. blah blah blah horseshit blah blah blah

Which is what you advocate. You want the government to protect domestic businesses from competition and reduce the choices of American consumers.

No. You said due process is more important that democratic processes. Stop lying.

Yeah, that's what I said dumbfuck. So, then why are you pretending that I am making an argument against democratic processes. The two are not mutually exclusive, shit-for-brains.

You said it. Not me. Im sorry your true feelings slipped out and i nailed you on it. wait. NO im not.

But due process is a result of laws. And who makes laws is important.

Due process was the result of threatening revolt if the King (an unelected official) did not stipulate that such rights could not be denied to freemen. It was not the result of any democratically passed law and it should not be subject to repeal by democratic processes. It's shape has been molded by common law or court cases, not statute or legislation. Without it, there can be no freedom or liberty.

You are just a fucking moron, asshat and you are trying once again to drag the discussion off into your fascist talking points. No one made an argument against democracy. Our system is one of LIMITED democracy and the limits are key.
 
Which is what you advocate. You want the government to protect domestic businesses from competition and reduce the choices of American consumers.
I want protectionism to maintain the middle class in america, instead of outsourcing all their jobs.

Your internationalist fascist view of government is one in which government policy merely reflects the desires of mulitinational corporations, who are only concerned about quarterly profits, not the long term standard of living in the nation.
Yeah, that's what I said dumbfuck. So, then why are you pretending that I am making an argument against democratic processes. The two are not mutually exclusive, shit-for-brains.
Yeah. You clearly said due process is more important than democratic processes in the legislature. that's anti-democracy.
You are just a fucking moron, asshat and you are trying once again to drag the discussion off into your fascist talking points. No one made an argument against democracy. Our system is one of LIMITED democracy and the limits are key.

You are the one that wants the government to only reflect multinational business concerns. My concern if for the working people of america, whom large corporations want to put out of work in the globalist race to the bottom.

The new collusion between big government and business is internationalist in nature, and hostile to national identity and loyalties, and it seeks to brainwash people to believe that national loyalties are wrong, and that we should only be loyal to multinational corporations instead. Im open to new terms for it, but for the time being, internationalist fascism is the best one.

See. internationalist is an adjective describing the type of fascism.
 
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This thread is a written testament of my superior potency and spraying power.
 
Yeah. You clearly said due process is more important than democratic processes in the legislature. that's anti-democracy.

No, it isn't anti-democratic. Not unless you believe the two are mutually exclusive and they are not. Due process implies certain limits on how far the state may intrude upon the individual. It does not matter under what authority power is vested in the state and if anything due process has encouraged democracy.

In a democracy without due process the majority may simply strip minority groups of their voting rights. That is what happened in the south until the courts started demanding that southern states respect the due process rights of those minorities.

Yes, I am saying due process is more important. Without it government is tyrannical, no matter what basis it claims authority.
 
No, it isn't anti-democratic. Not unless you believe the two are mutually exclusive and they are not. Due process implies certain limits on how far the state may intrude upon the individual. It does not matter under what authority power is vested in the state and if anything due process has encouraged democracy.

In a democracy without due process the majority may simply strip minority groups of their voting rights. That is what happened in the south until the courts started demanding that southern states respect the due process rights of those minorities.

Yes, I am saying due process is more important. Without it government is tyrannical, no matter what basis it claims authority.


You said one was more important. But even due process could change if non democratic elitists become the legislative power. What is due? That's just a a legal creation as well.
 
No, it isn't anti-democratic. Not unless you believe the two are mutually exclusive and they are not. Due process implies certain limits on how far the state may intrude upon the individual. It does not matter under what authority power is vested in the state and if anything due process has encouraged democracy.

In a democracy without due process the majority may simply strip minority groups of their voting rights. That is what happened in the south until the courts started demanding that southern states respect the due process rights of those minorities.

Yes, I am saying due process is more important. Without it government is tyrannical, no matter what basis it claims authority.

Here's the deal... Under a Socialist-Marxist system of government, which is what we currently have running the show, there is no "individual freedom" because the state controls all of it. They tell you where to live, where to work, what to eat, how much you can make, and everything else, there is no 'personal liberty' under a Socialist-Marxist system. It is sacrificed for "nannyism" and Statist policies. Do you comprehend this, or is your head still up your ass?
 
When I was in high school, it often perplexed me, why were so many millions of people living in socialist-communist systems around the world? I realized that in most cases, it wasn't by choice really, they didn't have democracy or political freedom like us, and were basically oppressed by communist political leaders. But still, how did this manage to happen to so many people? I remember watching the Tienanmen Square incident, wondering if the people would be able to rise up and defeat their oppressors. I would later watch them tear down the Berlin Wall, and celebrate some semblance of victory over oppression, but the question still nagged me... how had all of these millions of people gotten so far off track? How did an elite few in the ruling class, manage to override the human spirit of millions? So I began to read and study up on Socialism and Communism, Marxist and Leninist philosophies, and how they evolved. This wasn't stuff we ever really learned in school, in fact, most of my schooling consisted of anti-communist propaganda, and a really slanted picture of how it was presented. You could look at the pictures from Russia and Cuba, and it was easy to see these people had much less than a typical American. Was this the best Communism had to offer? It seemed clear to me, American capitalism and freedom was much more desirable, so why had so many people limited their potential with another ideology? Didn't the leaders understand their people would be better off in a capitalist system? None of it made much sense to me, until I began to read and study the history.

What is ironic, is the way in which Communist Marxist ideals were initially founded. It's precisely what we see happening across America today! The elite class played on the emotions of the working class. First, by generating envy and resentment between those who have and those who have not. They formed coalitions under the banner of the "workers party" and established a template of representing the "working class" under the premise of delivering a better way of life. Many bold promises were made, the "workers party" was going to make life better for everyone, at the expense of the wealthy and elite. Envy is one of the easiest human emotions to stir, it's easy to conjure resentment for those who have more than you, and easy to imply the reason is because they took advantage of you in some way to get more than you unfairly. Thus, it stands to reason, you are justified in taking back that wealth and redistributing it to the masses. Communism/Marxism relies on this class envy, and it was wildly popular among the people. Over time, the ideology permeates its way into the political structure, and a sort of "deal with the devil" is struck. People sacrifice their liberty and freedom in exchange for a promise of a better life, and it is done incrementally over time.

The first phase is relatively easy, but it's the linchpin for the entire philosophy. It all hinges on "responsibilities" of the individual. Taking away your 'responsibilities' is easy to do, no one likes to be responsible, for anything. As you willingly cede your responsibilities to the government, more and more of your personal freedoms become irrelevant. But people don't care because "no responsibilities" sounds like such a good thing. This is what happened, this is how so many millions of people fell into the trap of Communist-Socialist-Marxism. Once the steel jaws of the trap close, it's over, you're trapped, you become a subordinate of the state, and all your personal freedoms are gone forever. The next impetus of the philosophy is destroying faith, we curiously also see this happening across America. All-out war on Christian beliefs, Jewish beliefs, any religious beliefs... under the insidious guise of some mythical "separation of church and state" which liberals have conveniently interpreted for us. You see, removing religious faith is crucial to implementation of Communism, because the people must have only one entity in which to have faith in, the state. The state can not compete with God, therefore, God has to be eradicated from society. Once the people only have the government to rely on, it makes implementation of the ideology much easier.

Many very smart and intellectual people, will look at Socialism in its purest form, and estimate it to be a significantly better system for everyone, because it fosters a more equal distribution of wealth and prosperity. But the historical failures of this system have always been apparent when practiced. There is a difference between what looks good on paper, and what works practically in a society. A Communist-Socialist-Marxist type system, is totally and completely controlled by a central governing body, or "ruling class" elite. Because of the nature of human nature, and the attribute of human greed, this always ends up resulting in massive corruption and graft. Those who are of the "ruling class" have considerably more than the "average worker" in the end, because they control all the power. Over time, this obvious imbalance begins to weigh on the psyche of the "working class" and something interesting starts to happen. Productivity begins to decline rapidly, as people are faced with the dismal prospects of never having anything more in life, regardless of how hard they work or what they do. This sense of hopelessness and despair perpetuates itself, and eventually, the economical aspects of the society collapse, as the state has no ability to raise spirits and increase productivity. Through the centuries, the "ruling class" has tried a number of measures to induce enthusiasm in this environment, most notably, by military aggression and wars.

Nationalism is a tool developed by Socialists to attempt bringing the human spirit back into play, and increase economic productivity from the masses. It often works for short periods of time, but ultimately fails because most of the human spirit is broken, realizing the stark reality of the dismal course in life they have set for themselves. The promise of "Hope and Change" are unfulfilled, and Nationalism is merely another ploy to further exploit the people, and the people begin to realize that. In all of human history, this idea of statism, communist socialist Marxism, has failed time and time again. It keeps being repackaged and redistributed to a new generation of uninformed people, who don't have the capacity to understand or comprehend history. Humans continue to become emotionally dependent on this failed ideology, over and over again, because of one primary thing... human greed and envy.

Now, we see this everyday in America. The HCR issue has perplexed me, trying to understand why it's so damn important to the liberals, but I think I can see what the motivation is, and again, it is rooted in class envy. People see doctors making exorbitant amounts of money, living plush opulent lifestyles, and they know of some Aunt or Uncle who is faced with medical bills they can't possibly pay, and it's the same old jealousy and envy tugging at their emotional heartstrings. They view HCR as a way of punishing the rich greedy doctors, while rewarding the "working class" through 'redistribution' of wealth. We see the insidious and seemingly attractive notion of relieving us from responsibilities, in exchange for a "more fair" system. All the while, inching us closer and closer to total Communism. Oh, they will become all offended that I dare use the word "communist" to describe their plans, because they know and understand most intelligent people simply don't believe in it, or think it's best for America. It's become too stigmatized to ever fly in America, so anyone who dares to suggest that is what is happening, is marginalized and made out to be a kook, a nutcase, someone who is being hyper-extreme and ignorant. Yet, that is the road we are traveling down, just like millions of other people around the world have done in the past, and lived to regret. The question is, do we realize this yet?

Dixie, this post belongs in Conspiracy theories. It is paranoid hubris.

I've been around since Harry S. Truman was in the White House. I have seen and lived through the awful changes in America for the middle class and poor. And almost all of them are a direct result of 30+ years of conservative dominated polices and attitudes.

The 20th century had two failures of extreme ideology...the Bolshevik revolution, and the Reagan revolution. Unfettered communism and unfettered capitalism BOTH failed.

The 'liberal' era from the New Deal through the Great Society saw the greatest growth in wealth for ALL citizens and the rise of the most robust middle class in the world. America's middle class success defined America and it is what the rest of the world envied. But it was also an era that saw the greatest expansion of personal liberties and freedoms.

Ronald Reagan, the socialist, brought about an era of great redistribution of wealth, from the middle class to the elite. It reincarnated the robber barons and recreated the wealth disparity that existed between the Civil War and the Great Depression.

In the 50's and 60' America led the world in education, technological achievements and freedoms and liberties. Today we no longer lead in education and we are falling behind in technological achievements, but we do lead the world in one category...incarceration.

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