His dementia is getting really bad

Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney, and Ringo Starr are 80 years old, and they are out there performing shows, creating music, and running international businesses.

How did this idea that an active working life stops at 80 get started, if one is physically fit and mentally capable?

If an entertainer fucks up they apologize and start over or simply quite. The leader of the Free World, the world’s largest superpower and largest economy doesn’t have that luxury. They need to be perfect every fucking minute or Americans could die.

IMO, we should be holding our national leaders to a higher standard than Joe the Plumber or aging rock stars.
 
Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney, and Ringo Starr are 80 years old, and they are out there performing shows, creating music, and running international businesses.

How did this idea that an active working life stops at 80 get started, if one is physically fit and mentally capable?
Do we ideally want anyone in Washington that enters a new term older than 70-75? No. But the Biden criticism is nothing but politics.

There is a real possibility that Harris will end up as POTUS in an emergency, which is the main reason for many voter's concern. If you're going to run at that age, you'd better have a VP that people love.
 
Correct. LOL

Agreed. A few years as VP would likely give him the experience but, again, the point is moot because Harris won’t step down. If Biden is out and Harris is in, then Mayor Pete would be a good nominee for VP.

Yes, the face of the nation is about optics. It’s about confidence in one’s leaders and their abilities to serve. Not the thread about the AP poll and mental fitness. It’s not for American voters but for other nations, both allies and hostiles.
Very good point. The entire free world worries about another trump tenure. The commies, not so much. They know that he's a cheap hooker who quite often can be had for little more than a well timed compliment.
 
Agreed. A few years as VP would likely give him the experience but, again, the point is moot because Harris won’t step down. If Biden is out and Harris is in, then Mayor Pete would be a good nominee for VP.
Buttigieg should have had almost 4 years experience already, but politics is about pandering.
 
Very good point. The entire free world worries about another trump tenure. The commies, not so much. They know that he's a cheap hooker who quite often can be had for little more than a well timed compliment.

Russia, China, Iran and North Korea all want Trump as President.
 
If an entertainer fucks up they apologize and start over or simply quite. The leader of the Free World, the world’s largest superpower and largest economy doesn’t have that luxury. They need to be perfect every fucking minute or Americans could die.

IMO, we should be holding our national leaders to a higher standard than Joe the Plumber or aging rock stars.

I agree in a perfect world we want somebody with the vitality and the look of a JFK.

Although honestly, JFK's youthful inexperience probably allowed the generals to bully him into the Bay of Pigs invasion.

The fact is, Biden has finished the most successful presidential term of the 21st century. He turned the Trump recession around, got the US back to full employment, he passed the most ambitious legislation agenda since LBJ, and he rallied NATO after Trump virtually undermined the alliance
 
I agree in a perfect world we want somebody with the vitality and the look of a JFK.

The fact is, Biden has finished the most successful presidential term in the 21st century. He turned the Trump recession around, got the US back to full employment, he passed the most ambitious legislation agenda since LBJ, and he rallied NATO after Trump virtually undermined the alliance
I’d have to see the evidence that Biden’s first term was more successful than Obama’s two. GW’s was a shit show because of Iraq and Trump’s because of COVID.
 
I agree in a perfect world we want somebody with the vitality and the look of a JFK.

Although honestly, JFK's youthful inexperience probably allowed the generals to bully him into the Bay of Pigs invasion.

The fact is, Biden has finished the most successful presidential term in the 21st century. He turned the Trump recession around, got the US back to full employment, he passed the most ambitious legislation agenda since LBJ, and he rallied NATO after Trump virtually undermined the alliance
All this with two Republicans parading as Democrats in the Senate, blocking some of his most important platform issues.
 
I’d have to see the evidence that Biden’s first term was more successful than Obama’s two. GW’s was a shit show because of Iraq and Trump’s because of COVID.
They're both similar in the sense that both had disastrous economies to turn around, with nothing but pushback from the opposition. Obama arguably had a much steeper hill to climb.

Also similar is that both had to repair the nation's reputation after the tenure of the two least competent leaders in recent history.
 
They're both similar in the sense that both had disastrous economies to turn around, with nothing but pushback from the opposition. Obama arguably had a much steeper hill to climb.

Also similar is that both had to repair the nation's reputation after the tenure of the two least competent leaders in recent history.

Hence my point.The Great Recession was, IMO, worse than Biden’s fighting the post-pandemic economy. Agreed both had to fight a divided Congress.
 
Hence my point.The Great Recession was, IMO, worse than Biden’s fighting the post-pandemic economy. Agreed both had to fight a divided Congress.
Biden did have issues that Obama didn't due to the nature of the worldwide shutdown. Supply chain issues and the impending inflation were tricky, albeit outside the purview of his control. Both had to throw money at their respective problems, but I believe Biden's challenges were more political due to the blame he improperly received for said inflation.
 
Biden did have issues that Obama didn't due to the nature of the worldwide shutdown. Supply chain issues and the impending inflation were tricky, albeit outside the purview of his control. Both had to throw money at their respective problems, but I believe Biden's challenges were more political due to the blame he improperly received for said inflation.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on who had the tougher job between Obama and Biden cleaning up messes. At least until there are neutral facts for comparison and, history shows, those often take decades to resolve.

I’m not a politician and have no desire to be one….and national office is all about politics. Comparing apples-to-apples is an exercise in reason. This is an election year and, as we’ve seen so far, very little of it involves reason. I understand why Democrats want to pump up Biden in a tight election, but I consider it unrealistic to push the claim that Biden is the best President of the 21st century.
 
We’ll have to agree to disagree on who had the tougher job between Obama and Biden cleaning up messes. At least until there are neutral facts for comparison and, history shows, those often take decades to resolve.
We don't disagree. Biden had plenty on his plate. Just very different situations.
 
A long read, but it sums the issue up nicely. It compares/contrasts Biden's aging and trump's serious dementia.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/someone-pulled-metaphorical-plug-dr-110005052.html

Thanks, good article. This is the part that nobody on the right talks about.

"Trump manifested a number of phonemic paraphasias. He was trying to say evangelist, for example, but haltingly said "evangelish.” He was trying to say “three years later," but said, “three years, lady, lady, lady.” Trying to spit out the word “lately,” he sounded like a car with a bad battery struggling to turn over.

When Trump can't find a word his whole demeanor changes. It’s almost like someone pulled the metaphorical plug. Trump looks blank, stops in mid-sentence (or mid-word), his jaw goes a little slack, and when he starts to talk again, he slurs, speaks haltingly, and often looks confused. Trying to get the word out, he shifts to a non-word that is easier to pronounce. When people are losing their ability to use language they use non-words. They start with the stem of the real word, and then they improvise from there."
 
Agreed on different situations, hence the difficulty of an apples-to-apples comparison.
True.

Interesting comparison, though.

Both inherited massive job losses, but for distinct reasons. Easy to argue that psychologically Obama had it worse. People went from spending like crazy with money they didn't have, (because the Market was starved for MBDs)to being out of work.

So it seemed like everything was fine one day, and then the bottom dropped out. Shock level was higher than for Biden.

The trump virus festered for a year, most of that time in secret. It took some time for things to shut down, so a lot of the shock was still under trump's reign. People sat home and lived at Amazon, spending stimulus money. (Hmm...that sounds familiar) Times were good until the Chinese inventory was gone. The massive layoffs took longer to gestate.

Biden's transition team was denied access to Covid intel by the previous administration. So on day one they were already months behind schedule. Obama never had the massive public health disaster to deal with, but he had the same exact obstructionism at every turn.


Nobody ever blamed Obama for the MBD fiasco. Lucky for him the shit hit the fan just before he took office. Otherwise, like today's inflation that people try to put on Biden, the '08 crash would have been Obama's fault.

The fascinating thing is that massive spending was required in both cases, opposed by Republicans who later took credit for aid to their collective states. Money was thrown at the problem and much of it disappeared via graft.

I think they learned from the default/eviction rates under Obama. This time they froze loan/rent payments in order to avoid mass default.
 
I’d have to see the evidence that Biden’s first term was more successful than Obama’s two. GW’s was a shit show because of Iraq and Trump’s because of COVID.

If I was in charge of time machines, I would like to have Biden when he was about 65.

GW was under 60 and had terrible judgement.
 
If I was in charge of time machines, I would like to have Biden when he was about 65.

GW was under 60 and had terrible judgement.
Agreed on GW’s judgement, especiallly Iraq. Being younger isn’t a cure-all, it’s just a trait.

I watched a good movie about ADM Halsey last night on Tubi: “The Gallant Hours”. It took place in the five weeks around the battle of Guadalcanal OCT-NOV 1942 which included the one of the largest naval battles, and highest casualties, to that date. Several times it was mentioned that the urgency and stakes were so high that people were getting very little sleep. In one case, 7 hours in 4 days. Although I don’t have numbers, JFK and RFK probably didn’t get much sleep during the Cuban Missile Crisis because command decisions constantly had to be made. That takes a lot of stamina, something I, at 68, don’t have as much of as I did at 58. I’ll have even less at 78.

Should a similar crisis arise, I believe it’s very important to have competent, able people in place before it happens, not during. Some decisions can only be made by the President…although I wouldn’t doubt someone like Trump would just tell someone else to “handle it” and them blame them later when things went sideways. Like the COVID crisis and a million dead Americans, it’s important to have competent people in place before the emergency.

Airline pilots have mandatory retirement at 65. I could easily handle routine flights at age 70. The same for my 30 to 40something first officer. That’s not the problem. The problem is flying in severe weather with severe icing, blowing an engine then having to land single-engine on an iced runway in the pitch blackness of night. There is very little room for error if everyone is to survive it. Could I handle that? It depends upon a lot of factors and I’m certain all the passengers would want the most competent person possible to be upfront and in charge. Older people tire more easily and tired people don’t think as straight as rested people. That’s just human nature.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Battle_of_Guadalcanal
 
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