Hillary Clinton and the Populist Revolt

Mott the Hoople

Sweet Jane
This is an outstanding article by George Packer. Though it starts out interviewing Clinton it's pretty much non-partisan and does an outstanding job of explaining how America got to where we currently our in our political process. This is a lengthy read and I strongly urge you to read it through to the end. This article has given me a lot to think about and has seriously impacted my point of view. Please read and let's discuss. If you've noticed that I've banned people from this thread it's primarily because those individuals are more interested in throwing bombs than contributing to an adult conversation.

The basement of a hotel on Capitol Hill. A meeting room with beige walls and headachy light, cavernous enough to accommodate three hundred occupants but empty, except for Hillary Clinton. She sat at a small round table with a cloth draped to the carpet. Her eyes were narrower than usual—fatigue—and she wore a knee-length dress jacket of steel-blue leather, buttoned to the lapels; its metallic shine gave an impression of armor, as if she’d just descended from the battlefield to take a breather in this underground hideout. Politics, at times so thrilling, is generally a dismal business, and Clinton’s acceptance of this is key to her power. She’s the officer who keeps on marching in mud.

I sat down across from her. With only a few weeks left until the election, I wanted to ask her about the voters she’s had the most trouble winning. Why were so many downwardly mobile white Americans supporting Donald Trump?

“It’s ‘Pox on both your houses,’ ” Clinton said. “It was certainly a rejection of every other Republican running. So pick the guy who’s the outsider, pick the guy who’s giving you an explanation—in my view, a trumped-up one, not convincing—but, nevertheless, people are hungry for that.” Voters needed a narrative for their lives, she said, including someone to blame for what had gone wrong. “Donald Trump came up with a fairly simple, easily understood, and to some extent satisfying story. And I think we Democrats have not provided as clear a message about how we see the economy as we need to.” She continued, “We need to get back to claiming the economic mantle—that we are the ones who create the jobs, who provide the support that is needed to get more fairness into the economy.”


More at: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/hillary-clinton-and-the-populist-revolt
 
n the nineties, President Bill Clinton embraced globalization as the overarching solution to the country’s problems—the “bridge to the twenty-first century.” But the new century defied the optimistic predictions of élites, and during this election, in a nationalistic backlash, many Americans—along with citizens of other Western democracies—have rebelled. “I think we haven’t organized ourselves for the twenty-first-century globalization,” Hillary admitted. America had wrongly ceded manufacturing to other countries, she said, and allowed trade deals to hurt workers.

Clinton has been in politics throughout these decades of economic stagnation and inequality, of political Balkanization, of weakening faith in American institutions and leaders.
Trump's message
 
“We need to get back to claiming the economic mantle—that we are the ones who create the jobs, who provide the support that is needed to get more fairness into the economy.”

unfortunately for her, before she can do that the Democrat Party is going to have to start creating some jobs and providing economic fairness......that may take a while.....particularly if she loses next week.....
 
Trump's message
Indeed. The law of unintended consequences. It's not Trumps message that concerns me. It's his lack of a coherent and workable solution to the problems he identifies his message. I've heard that nonsense from one to many salesmen in my life. Trump has identified a problem but he has no idea on how to get there or what to do once he gets there. He's making promises that he's expecting other people to keep. Typical salesman crap.

But that's not what interest me about this article. What interest me is the historical changes at work on our major two parties coalitions. A lot of people believe that Trump is the beginning of a new coalition of interest groups within the Republican party. This article has made me realize that it's the other way around. That what is happening to the GOP is the beginning of the end of a new GOP political coalition that has been incrementally rebuilding itself over 40 years. We are just seeing an end phase hostile tack over by the base who have rejected the GOP establishment for not protecting their interests.

One of the more interesting points, and I can't disagree, is how the white working class (WWC) has been abandoned by Democratic party elites and exploited by Republican party elites.

With that being said I agree with the author that it would be a huge mistake to discount or delegitimize the WWC base of the GOP as just a bunch of ignorant rednecks and that the current hostile take over the the WWC base of the GOP has been a long time in coming.
 
Indeed. The law of unintended consequences. It's not Trumps message that concerns me. It's his lack of a coherent and workable solution to the problems he identifies his message. I've heard that nonsense from one to many salesmen in my life. Trump has identified a problem but he has no idea on how to get there or what to do once he gets there. He's making promises that he's expecting other people to keep. Typical salesman crap.

But that's not what interest me about this article. What interest me is the historical changes at work on our major two parties coalitions. A lot of people believe that Trump is the beginning of a new coalition of interest groups within the Republican party. This article has made me realize that it's the other way around. That what is happening to the GOP is the beginning of the end of a new GOP political coalition that has been incrementally rebuilding itself over 40 years. We are just seeing an end phase hostile tack over by the base who have rejected the GOP establishment for not protecting their interests.

One of the more interesting points, and I can't disagree, is how the white working class (WWC) has been abandoned by Democratic party elites and exploited by Republican party elites.

With that being said I agree with the author that it would be a huge mistake to discount or delegitimize the WWC base of the GOP as just a bunch of ignorant rednecks and that the current hostile take over the the WWC base of the GOP has been a long time in coming.
well. considering the choice for election NOW -and with Clinton being a crooked warmonger;if you want populism, Trump is the go to guy.
Clinton can't be trusted to do anything, becase her own words ( and deeds) show she is a duplicous self serving politician above all else.

I do not think the Dems will ever really care about WWC,because they have other coalitions to power;
and look how even Sanders threw away populism when it came to getting his agenda of "free stuff" in the platform.
He was more then willing to back Clinton, whom he excoriated as an oligarch in the primaries.

My philosophy is seize the moment.no matter how flawed Trump is -and he is that -he still the sea change the only
path to populism,as the establishment rides it out and becomes the unresponsive plutocrats they are by nature
 
unfortunately for her, before she can do that the Democrat Party is going to have to start creating some jobs and providing economic fairness......that may take a while.....particularly if she loses next week.....
Read the whole article dude. That's just an intro. It's not what the article is about.
 
well. considering the choice for election NOW -and with Clinton being a crooked warmonger;if you want populism, Trump is the go to guy.
Clinton can't be trusted to do anything, becase her own words ( and deeds) show she is a duplicous self serving politician above all else.

I do not think the Dems will ever really care about WWC,because they have other coalitions to power;
and look how even Sanders threw away populism when it came to getting his agenda of "free stuff" in the platform.
He was moer then willing toback Clinton, whom he excoriated as an oligarch in the primaries.

My philosophy is seize the moment.no matter how flawed Trump is -and he is that -he still the seachange the only
path to populism,as the establishment rides it out and becomes the unresponsive plutocrats they are by nature

Well again...read the article. That's what the author points out. The Democratic parties coalition has changed from the traditional supporters of the working class. That transformation began in the mid 60's due to Vietnam and the Civil Rights movement. The 1968 Democratic convention was a key catalyst...and you want to talked about a rigged electoral system. The convention nominated Hubert Humphrey who had not competed in a single primary election over the candidates who had. The Democratic party system was rigged to favor urban party bosses and an ossified AFL-CIO politbureau who were very disconnected from Democratic constituents who opposed the war in Vietnam and supported the civil rights movement.

That precipitated a change in the Democratic party with young aspiring professionals pushing out the old big city party bosses and union leaders. With that transition the Democratic party stopped being the party of the working class and become a party of aspiring professionals with diversity. That is most symbolized by Bill Clinton becoming the leader of the DLC and co-opting GOP center right policies.
 
This is an outstanding article by George Packer. Though it starts out interviewing Clinton it's pretty much non-partisan and does an outstanding job of explaining how America got to where we currently our in our political process. This is a lengthy read and I strongly urge you to read it through to the end. This article has given me a lot to think about and has seriously impacted my point of view. Please read and let's discuss. If you've noticed that I've banned people from this thread it's primarily because those individuals are more interested in throwing bombs than contributing to an adult conversation.

The basement of a hotel on Capitol Hill. A meeting room with beige walls and headachy light, cavernous enough to accommodate three hundred occupants but empty, except for Hillary Clinton. She sat at a small round table with a cloth draped to the carpet. Her eyes were narrower than usual—fatigue—and she wore a knee-length dress jacket of steel-blue leather, buttoned to the lapels; its metallic shine gave an impression of armor, as if she’d just descended from the battlefield to take a breather in this underground hideout. Politics, at times so thrilling, is generally a dismal business, and Clinton’s acceptance of this is key to her power. She’s the officer who keeps on marching in mud.

I sat down across from her. With only a few weeks left until the election, I wanted to ask her about the voters she’s had the most trouble winning. Why were so many downwardly mobile white Americans supporting Donald Trump?

“It’s ‘Pox on both your houses,’ ” Clinton said. “It was certainly a rejection of every other Republican running. So pick the guy who’s the outsider, pick the guy who’s giving you an explanation—in my view, a trumped-up one, not convincing—but, nevertheless, people are hungry for that.” Voters needed a narrative for their lives, she said, including someone to blame for what had gone wrong. “Donald Trump came up with a fairly simple, easily understood, and to some extent satisfying story. And I think we Democrats have not provided as clear a message about how we see the economy as we need to.” She continued, “We need to get back to claiming the economic mantle—that we are the ones who create the jobs, who provide the support that is needed to get more fairness into the economy.”


More at: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/hillary-clinton-and-the-populist-revolt

Clinton has never created a job or wealth in her life she is a parasite on the American worker and needs to be executed for her numerous crimes against this country.
 
Republicans were gifted an opportunity to bury the Democratic Party for decades in 1968, but Nixon pissed it away with Watergate.

Nixon was an establishment POS and Benghazi makes watergate look like whitewater the only difference is that Woodrow and Bernstein weren't running Nixons campaign commercials the way the MSM is the propaganda wing of the HRC campaign.
 
lol. An entire article and no admission that without trump we wouldnt even be talking about the issues these so called "white working class" people (actually just working class) feel. If this author had his way we would have another bush v clinton election and none of these issues would be discussed.
 
Clinton has never created a job or wealth in her life she is a parasite on the American worker and needs to be executed for her numerous crimes against this country.
Read the article before you say something dumb. That was just her comments at an interview. It's not what the article is about.
 
lol. An entire article and no admission that without trump we wouldnt even be talking about the issues these so called "white working class" people (actually just working class) feel. If this author had his way we would have another bush v clinton election and none of these issues would be discussed.
You apparently didn't read the whole article.
 
Trump's message

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wow.....very impressive.....as usual.
 
well. considering the choice for election NOW -and with Clinton being a crooked warmonger;if you want populism, Trump is the go to guy.

Yeah.....Republicans have (typically) given-away and-and-all cash we might have sta$hed (for "rainy days"....like those FLOODS, in the RED STATES), in tax-cuts.....but, we've never really experienced a full-blown bankruptcy.....and, we KNOW Trumpy's (at least) got some experience, with THAT!!!!

Yeah....something to look-forward-to.


woo-hoo​
 
I'm trying to get away from partisan bickering on this post as that is not the central point of the article in the OP. So please all, read the bloody long article before posting. I think you'll learn something.
 
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