Higher education is about more than job training: Open

[Into the Night]

Education should teach students how to think not what to think!

Not possible. People each think in their own different ways, as unique as a fingerprint.

Education is what you make of it, literally.

There are a lot of educated unambitious saps working in fast food restaurants. There are a fair number of ambitious (and rich) folks that never got a degree. Michael Faraday, Thomas Edison, and Bill Gates to name a few.

 

[Into the Night]

90 percent of what I learned about art, history, philosophy, literature, music, theater, I learned on my own time outside of college.

So 90% of zero is still zero.

Woodworking, photography, leatherworking, painting, welding are forms of the aesthetic arts and crafts that can famously be learned outside of college.

That they can.

Or, you can be MAGA and just lay flooring all day, and then go home and get stoned on beer and opioids.

MAGA isn't a person.

 

[Into the Night]

Anything can be learned outside of college.

Except for what it's truly like to be in a college, and finding a way to pay for it all.

 

[Into the Night]

Trade / vocational school for skills training

And valuable skills they are.

People need and are willing to shell out big money for competent electricians, plumbers, mechanics, welders, technicians, etc.

 

[Into the Night]

Yea, as if you are the next American Idol...

The reality is that 95% of the population have to take jobs they are okay with, not ones they really, really want to do. That bullshit is fantasy.

I made far, far more money doing electrical contracting than trying to get some job using my degrees. Yes, they were handy to have in improving my ability to do that, but it wasn't per se something you needed college for.

Again, well put.

 

[Into the Night]

You really hate our country, don't you.

You are describing yourself again, Sock.

 

[RB 60]

And valuable skills they are.

People need and are willing to shell out big money for competent electricians, plumbers, mechanics, welders, technicians, etc.

Interesting, he used those valuable skills as insults...

 

[Cypress]

It isn't religion, Sock.

Bulverism 61

The Theory of the Big Bang is just a nonscientific theory

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The United States no longer exists.

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FOX is owned and operated by DEMOCRATS.

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(J6 rioters) are violent Democrats, dressed up as 'Trump supporters'.

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There was no Civil Rights Act in 1964.

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[Cypress]

Liberal arts colleges don't have electives, twit.
You don't know history, you obviously can't spell, and I bet you couldn't code your way out of a wet paper bad or know which end of a soldering iron to hold.

Bulverism 62

The Theory of the Big Bang is just a nonscientific theory

​

The United States no longer exists.

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FOX is owned and operated by DEMOCRATS.

​

(J6 rioters) are violent Democrats, dressed up as 'Trump supporters'.

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There was no Civil Rights Act in 1964.

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[Cypress]

So you figure that being unemployed, on welfare, and living on the streets like an animal is the 'authentic human life', eh?

Art history is pretty meaningless. It doesn't put food on the table.
Listening to your stereo won't either.
Reading fiction won't either.

Values and truths are talking about religion, not books.

I see you do not value accounting, or how much a CPA can make. Don't like being a millionaire, eh?

You are describing yourself again. BTW, you took Pink Floyd's song out of context. He is not singing about a paycheck. Guess your 'music appreciation' course kinda sucked.

Bulverism 63

The Theory of the Big Bang is just a nonscientific theory

​

The United States no longer exists.

​

FOX is owned and operated by DEMOCRATS.

​

(J6 rioters) are violent Democrats, dressed up as 'Trump supporters'.

​

There was no Civil Rights Act in 1964.

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[Cypress]

So 90% of zero is still zero.

That they can.

MAGA isn't a person.

Bulverism 65

The Theory of the Big Bang is just a nonscientific theory

​

The United States no longer exists.

​

FOX is owned and operated by DEMOCRATS.

​

(J6 rioters) are violent Democrats, dressed up as 'Trump supporters'.

​

There was no Civil Rights Act in 1964.

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[T. A. Gardner]

That depends entirely on their own initiative. Some can be quite successful. Bill Gates, for example, was a college dropout.

Well, according to some here (not me but others), without going to college and getting a degree you'll never amount to anything or have a good paying job. They live in their little Leftist fantasy land thinking that majoring in art history will get them a six-figure salary on graduation...

 

[archives]

The BidenWannabe is apparently not aware that most liberal arts graduates work in fast food or other minimum wage jobs. Their degree winds up being quite useless.
These two posts sound like an advertisement for Reed college, an institution located in a State that teaches that 2+2=4 is racist.

Couldn’t be anymore more, as usual:

“Education pays”
https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2...Even in the best of,data tell a similar story.

”Benefits of a College Degree“
https://www.calstate.edu/csu-system/news/Pages/10-Benefits-of-a-College-Degree.aspx

”Benefits of Having a College Degree“
https://bachelors-completion.northeastern.edu/news/is-a-bachelors-degree-worth-it/

”The value of a college education“
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2016/10/06/5-the-value-of-a-college-education/

“SevenCompelling Reasons Why You Should Go To College”
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/why-should-you-go-to-college/

“The Rising Cost of Not Going to College”
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2014/02/11/the-rising-cost-of-not-going-to-college/

Being a cultist, it is understandable why “pigeon” sees no value in higher education, his Messiah “loves the uneducated,” but no society advances itself when mediocrity is its highest goal

 

[BidenPresident]

Well, according to some here (not me but others), without going to college and getting a degree you'll never amount to anything or have a good paying job. They live in their little Leftist fantasy land thinking that majoring in art history will get them a six-figure salary on graduation...

Don't you claim to have several college degrees?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Don't you claim to have several college degrees?

I don't claim that they did much to get me a good career or job...

 

[BidenPresident]

I don't claim that they did much to get me a good career or job...

Then why did you go to graduate school?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Then why did you go to graduate school?

Because I thought it might be interesting and fun to do...

 

[BidenPresident]

Because I thought it might be interesting and fun to do...

I see. But everyone else is wrong to go to graduate school.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I see. But everyone else is wrong to go to graduate school.

Go if you want to, but don't expect it to result in a huge salary increase.

 

[BidenPresident]

Go if you want to, but don't expect it to result in a huge salary increase.

You know nothing about graduate programs.