Hey - Trump finally noticed Puerto Rico!

Threedee said:
You mean like the free speech of those who don't hate America with regard to calling-out people protesting the national anthem?
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Where have I suggested taking away their right to speak?

Unlike them, I don't want to shut down the speech of those I disagree with. I'm countering it w/ superior arguments, to win out in the marketplace of ideas.

So there.
 
floridafan said:
When exactly did Trump say this? Was it at the same time he whined about their infrastructure and debt.
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Whined??? Puerto Rico has 3 million people and $70 billion in debt that they admit to. It's another failure like california and illinois and all americans should be furious over the prospect of bailing out this socialist sewer and the corrupt politicians who have wrecked it.
 
Thing1 said:
Where have I suggested taking away their right to speak?

Unlike them, I don't want to shut down the speech of those I disagree with. I'm countering it w/ superior arguments, to win out in the marketplace of ideas.

So there.
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If owners want to exercise their own free speech and fire some SOBs, you will claim free speech is being silenced, etc.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
Whined??? Puerto Rico has 3 million people and $70 billion in debt that they admit to. It's another failure like california and illinois and all americans should be furious over the prospect of bailing out this socialist sewer and the corrupt politicians who have wrecked it.
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So, $0 have gone to Texass and Florida for Harvey and Irma? Is that right?

Sent from my Windows Phone at 89 MPH
 
Threedee said:
If owners want to exercise their own free speech and fire some SOBs, you will claim free speech is being silenced, etc.
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No, I wouldn't. Kaep didn't get hired by anyone (when skills-wise, he should have been), and I didn't complain about it. It's a private business, and they can do what they want. I may disagree w/ them, but they set their own rules.
 
Thing1 said:
Where have I suggested taking away their right to speak?

Unlike them, I don't want to shut down the speech of those I disagree with. I'm countering it w/ superior arguments, to win out in the marketplace of ideas.

So there.
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Thing1 said:
No, I wouldn't. Kaep didn't get hired by anyone (when skills-wise, he should have been), and I didn't complain about it. It's a private business, and they can do what they want. I may disagree w/ them, but they set their own rules.
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Well, I'm glad we could clear that up.
 
Thing1 said:
I did. I'm supporting freedom throughout.

Don't try too hard for a "gotcha." Kind of Yurt-like. My stance is consistent.
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You stated that the pro-America crowd is trying to silence the speech of the protestors and anti-America crowd. I pointed-out that we are simply exercising our own freedom of speech. Now you are backtracking.
 
Thing1 said:
After 5 days of pain, suffering & crisis, he took a break from his NFL ego-trip (which he proudly stated has "really caught on" at a dinner last night) to author 3 consecutive tweets about good ol' PR.

What leadership. Really, a man who has his priorities straight and puts the people first.
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I expect you know that the US military is already there at work.....well, maybe you've decided to ignore that......
 
Threedee said:
You stated that the pro-America crowd is trying to silence the speech of the protestors and anti-America crowd. I pointed-out that we are simply exercising our own freedom of speech. Now you are backtracking.
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Oh, I stand by that, in a big way. Same thing w/ the Dixie Chicks.

You're not the owners. You're trying to influence the owners.

All you're offering is "shut up." You're not countering their protest with ideas of your own. I find that anti-American in spirit. You certainly have a right to do it, but I don't respect it.
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, I stand by that, in a big way. Same thing w/ the Dixie Chicks.

You're not the owners. You're trying to influence the owners.

All you're offering is "shut up." You're not countering their protest with ideas of your own. I find that anti-American in spirit. You certainly have a right to do it, but I don't respect it.
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No, the American thing is to tar-and-feather people who disagree with you about such things as, say, whether the British position is superior to the American one, for example. When did the government shutdown the Dixie Chicks, again?

But, yes, the pro-America crowd is tell the opposition to STFU, and we will utilize our superior strength in numbers to our advantage. The same thing is done in response to Nazis in Charlottesville, as well as to counter fascist and Marxist agitation.
 
What does their debt have to do with anything, and same with Socialism, which doesn't exist. Again, doesn't exist. They are each and every one of them American citizens who are entitled to the same help that those in Florida and texas will get
 
Threedee said:
No, the American thing is to tar-and-feather people who disagree with you about such things as, say, whether the British position is superior to the American one, for example. When did the government shutdown the Dixie Chicks, again?

But, yes, the pro-America crowd is tell the opposition to STFU, and we will utilize our superior strength in numbers to our advantage. The same thing is done in response to Nazis in Charlottesville, as well as to counter fascist and Marxist agitation.
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I reject your characterization of "pro-America." That's pure opinion. The country wouldn't be where it is today without a long, proud history of vocal dissent - from people who loved their country and recognized its flaws.

It's actually hard to imagine where we'd be if there weren't people courageous enough to take a stand for their beliefs in the face of fierce opposition (which certainly included the masses telling them they were "anti-America").
 
Thing1 said:
I reject your characterization of "pro-America." That's pure opinion. The country wouldn't be where it is today without a long, proud history of vocal dissent - from people who loved their country and recognized its flaws.

It's actually hard to imagine where we'd be if there weren't people courageous enough to take a stand for their beliefs in the face of fierce opposition (which certainly included the masses telling them they were "anti-America").
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Yeah, it's great when people who hate America take a stand. Helps us all to stay vigilant and keeps us all full of strength and character.
 
Thing1 said:
Well, THAT response is just boring. Lazy characterization.
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Back in 1950, the UW faculty actually wrote a letter proposing a ban on Marxist speech. Probably not the best approach to dealing with a great evil in American society, although, the complete 180° from modern faculties is amusing. Sometimes, however, certain beliefs exist only for the purpose of causing harm or attacking society. Giving America the finger during the playing of the anthem is nowhere near as dangerous as Marxism, but, society can step-in where the government is unable, and take a stand.
 
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