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Darla said:
I think that every vegetarian and vegan I know made the same ethical choice. I never did...I was just born this way kind of. As a child I "dissected" my meat as my mom always put it. Because I was always grossed out by fat and veins etc. I stopped eating hotdogs (I cannot even believe anyone eats those things) very early on, by time I was 10. Sausages shortly afterwards. By the time I was 15 I cut out the last meat I was still eating - chicken. It all just grossed me out. It's flesh. Period. Gross. I don't eat eggs or drink dairy, and as of the past year I have stopped eating any kind of ice cream. I doubt I would ever go full-vegan because I do love good cheeses. And I do still eat things with eggs baked into them, just not eggs like scrambled, ech. These days I do feel satisfaction that my vegetarianism is good for the environment. And I am very happy about the health benefits. But I never made a choice. It's weird.
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Mmmmm hot dogs. Mmmmmm
 
Mott the Hoople said:
How many obese people do you know who exercise regularly? As for green vegetables, the main risk there is hypervitaminosis if you eat to much of them. Though I agree in principle, exercise and fitness are about living well and not about how hot you look in a little black dress. I mean I work out for two hours a day for years and I still look silly in that damned dress!
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Mott there is a laughable risk of hypervitaminosis unless you are od'ing on supplements which I don't even use anyway. To me if you are eating a variety of vegetables and some fruits you don't need those.

I do agree that not too many obese people exercise regularly, but that is my point. First of all a not-insignificant number of obese people do exercise regularly (please keep in mind these figures do not include the morbidly obese). And don't forget the just run of the mill overweight - you include them and those numbers go up quite a bit. And these studies apply to the overweight as well obviously. Further, it's important for those who are naturally thin and just don't bother exercising to know this stuff. They are at just as high risk as an obese person who doesn't exercise! I think that's pretty fascinating. The bottom line is if we want to reduce health care costs we need to get the country moving. And unless you have a BMI of 40 or over, your weight is irrelevant to that, as well as to how long you are going to live.
 
Bijou said:
No, I do not wear or buy leather, nor fur (obviously), wool, any other animal hides, or silk. Additionally, I won't buy or use items containing animal products, and as much as possible, avoid any products that were tested on animals. Because animal products are practically everywhere, it's hard to avoid anything that hasn't exploited them directly or indirectly. But Veganism is becoming quite widespread and there are more cruelty-free alternatives than ever now.

I've been vegan for 7 years now; prior to that I was mostly vegetarian, other than the once-in-a-while trip to the sushi bar, etc. No one enjoyed a steak more than I did. It's an ethical choice for me and because of that, I don't 'miss' my prior diet at all.
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I will not buy any product that is tested on animals. I do wear leather boots, mainly because it is a requirement of my employer.

I eat meat, but do all I can to avoid supporting the factory farms. What meat is not from my hunting I try to get from local farmers, like I get most of my produce. The cruelty of the modern industrial farm turns my stomach.
 
WinterBorn said:
I will not buy any product that is tested on animals. I do wear leather boots, mainly because it is a requirement of my employer.

I eat meat, but do all I can to avoid supporting the factory farms. What meat is not from my hunting I try to get from local farmers, like I get most of my produce. The cruelty of the modern industrial farm turns my stomach.
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Glad to hear you're making choices based on raised awareness. More people are doing so and that is why certain cruel practices have now come to light and are being fought against (and often won) - battery cages, gestation crates, etc. It's slow progress, but it's a start.
 
Darla said:
There's lungs in them. So you might as well as say "MMMMMMM lungs MMMMMM'. Knock yourself out with that.
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Two things you never want to see made Darla are hot dogs and laws. :)

After spending a year studying gross anatomy (and it is gross in more ways than one) there's not to much that can put off my apetite.
 
Bijou said:
Glad to hear you're making choices based on raised awareness. More people are doing so and that is why certain cruel practices have now come to light and are being fought against (and often won) - battery cages, gestation crates, etc. It's slow progress, but it's a start.
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You'll be dissapointed in me then. I buy free range chickens and eggs purely on the basis that they taste better.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You'll be dissapointed in me then. I buy free range chickens and eggs purely on the basis that they taste better.
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Unfortunately, 'free-range' doesn't mean much, anyway. The birds are still in horrible conditions; there's merely a door to the outside that is opened - doesn't mean the birds get to go outside and walk around 'free'.

The level of what is humane in the treatment of poultry is much lower than for other factory-farmed animals.
 
I haven't met any vegans that don't look unhealthy and aren't anemic. JMO

not criticizing the choice just sayin

Personally I could never give up a well grilled rib eye with blue cheese
 
Darla said:
Damo's a vegetarian, though I haven't seen him own it since this old poster called him a homosexual and an America-hater for it. The guy was dead serious too.

Anyway, I think Damo has become a self-hating vegetarian.
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Being a vegetarian doesn't have to make me a self-hating human, or foolishly decide that humans aren't a product and participant in the nature of this planet. No matter how you might wish to deny it, we are just another animal and part of the natural cycles of this planet.

It isn't my goal, nor should it be, to get everybody to make the choice I made. I cannot ignore reality, nor deliberately misunderstand the place of humans in the ecological cycle.
 
FactsRStubborn said:
I haven't met any vegans that don't look unhealthy and aren't anemic. JMO

not criticizing the choice just sayin

Personally I could never give up a well grilled rib eye with blue cheese
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I'm pretty sure you have, you just don't know it. I know some athletes who are vegans and they are healthy and strong. It just takes paying a LOT more attention to your diet.
 
Looks like I offened Dude's sensibilities; because he groaned me 6 times, in just this thread.
I guess he can't decide if he wants Howie or Bijou. :D
 
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