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Bijou said:
Be sure to watch Ted's show, Damo. You're gonna love it, I'm sure. :)
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The points Damo made do not make him a fan of Uncle Ted. They do not even make him a conservative. The truth of the condition of our wild areas is what it is. In order to save what we have left we cannot focus on what it should be, but on what it will take to keep what we have.
 
WinterBorn said:
The points Damo made do not make him a fan of Uncle Ted. They do not even make him a conservative. The truth of the condition of our wild areas is what it is. In order to save what we have left we cannot focus on what it should be, but on what it will take to keep what we have.
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Yes, you've made your point. I think you ultimately want what I want and we have different approaches. I do not think killing is part of the solution to save.

And I recommended Ted's show to Damo because he was singing the praises of guns, not Ted.
 
Bijou said:
I know, but it was still fucked up and wrong. My grandmother started a huge shit-storm in our house when I was a kid because she had a meltdown when she found me playing with my black Barbie doll. I was like 7 or 8.
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Yep, it is fucked up and wrong. But that does not change the limited number of ways a boy can bond with his grandfather. Even when I was too small to hold a gun, my grandfather would find me a stick and walk me around the pine thickets surrounding the pastures and take me "Bear hunting". I was probably 4 or 5 years old.
 
Bijou said:
Be sure to watch Ted's show, Damo. You're gonna love it, I'm sure. :)
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I doubt that. It's just foolish to pretend that taking a huge predator from the chain wouldn't have a negative effect. Seriously, this idea that humans aren't part of nature is just a stupid idea. That we evolved big brains doesn't change that fact at all. That we have only makes it so that we need to take an active role in controlling and acting responsibly as we act in our place in the food chain.

The idea that it is "unfair" for any animal to use what advantages they have evolved is simply foolish and ignorant...

Like it or not, we are part of nature.
 
Bijou said:
Yes, you've made your point. I think you ultimately want what I want and we have different approaches. I do not think killing is part of the solution to save.

And I recommended Ted's show to Damo because he was singing the praises of guns, not Ted.
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Without predators, there must be some way to remove animals from the wild. Hunting is the most efficient.
 
WinterBorn said:
Yep, it is fucked up and wrong. But that does not change the limited number of ways a boy can bond with his grandfather. Even when I was too small to hold a gun, my grandfather would find me a stick and walk me around the pine thickets surrounding the pastures and take me "Bear hunting". I was probably 4 or 5 years old.
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Well, that does explain some things, i suppose.
 
Bijou said:
Yes, you've made your point. I think you ultimately want what I want and we have different approaches. I do not think killing is part of the solution to save.

And I recommended Ted's show to Damo because he was singing the praises of guns, not Ted.
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No, I was singing the praises of brains. That we developed tools that you dislike using because you think we aren't part of nature in some way doesn't change that we evolved this advantage. The attempt to pretend that we don't have it to make you think it is "fair" is laughable.
 
WinterBorn said:
Without predators, there must be some way to remove animals from the wild. Hunting is the most efficient.
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Overpopulation of human beings and their encroachment is the problem in my opinion. There are better and less selfish ways to balance things other than unabated human breeding and killing animals whose numbers are out of whack because of what we do to the environment.
 
Damocles said:
No, I was singing the praises of brains. That we developed tools that you dislike using because you think we aren't part of nature in some way doesn't change that we evolved this advantage. The attempt to pretend that we don't have it to make you think it is "fair" is laughable.
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The tools you're referring to include guns.
 
let me get this right:

bijou is saying that humans should not use tools to subdue nature or to hunt for food? that we should only use our hands to live on the world, no tools? or does this only apply to hunting?

if so and you believe in evolution, we would never have evolved past cave man, heck, not even cave man as he utilized weapons.

what exactly are you saying bijou?
 
Bijou said:
The tools you're referring to include guns.
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Again. I'll speak slowly this time. It. Isn't. The. Tools. That. I. "Sing". Praises. Of... It. Is. The. Brains. We. Have. Evolved.

We are an animal and part of nature. That you want to pretend otherwise doesn't change that fact. Removing yet another predator from the chain will not benefit animals the way you think it will. We can't keep removing predators and think it makes the animals lives any better. Predation is part of the natural cycle, one that mankind has taken part in for quite some time. Removing one of the most successful predators only guarantees disease and horrible death.
 
gone said:
let me get this right:

bijou is saying that humans should not use tools to subdue nature or to hunt for food? that we should only use our hands to live on the world, no tools? or does this only apply to hunting?

if so and you believe in evolution, we would never have evolved past cave man, heck, not even cave man as he utilized weapons.

what exactly are you saying bijou?
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I'm saying 'go vegan'. It isn't necessary to kill and eat animals in order to live. Implements of death are the only 'tools' I have referenced. Any others were introduced into the discussion in an attempt to deflect from my point.
 
Bijou said:
Yeah, your condescension's so intimidating. Yes.I.Get.It. The.Brains.Enabled.The.Tools.

You're welcome.
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1. Don't cry now, you started it with the condescending "Damo sings the praises of" misrepresentation and purposeful "misunderstanding" of my points.

2. No, you don't "get it"...

Removing a successful predator from nature to make Bijou feel better is foolish and will have exactly the opposite effect that Bijou thinks it will. It only would guarantee disease, starvation, and horrible deaths for the animals Bijou means to protect. Like it or not we're part of nature, and attempting to remove the evolved advantages of a part of nature to make Bijou feel it is "fair" is plain inane.

We are a product of, participate in, and will always be part of nature. Until and if we can remove ourselves responsibly from this cycle (I believe at some point a large part of humanity will leave this planet and live on synthetic foods), we have a responsibility to take our part in that nature or bear the responsibility for the horrible suffering and death we would cause without our taking our part.
 
Bijou said:
I'm saying 'go vegan'. It isn't necessary to kill and eat animals in order to live. Implements of death are the only 'tools' I have referenced. Any others were introduced into the discussion in an attempt to deflect from my point.
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if you're talking today, you're right about food, but not about predators. i actually tried to go vegan, but i missed certain 'meat' products like eggs, fish and chicken. i do not eat pork and rarely beef. in fact, i'm trying to eat more tofu as i find it easier to digest than chicken and it has about the same protein value.

that said, if evolution and the cave man theory is true, we would never have evolved beyond that, but for tools of death as you reference. are you speakign only of modern society?

just out of curiosity, do you wear leather? i know a vegan who wears no leather and tries to avoid it if possible. she has a great cafe wear i live and makes great vegan food.
 
Bijou said:
I'm saying 'go vegan'. It isn't necessary to kill and eat animals in order to live. Implements of death are the only 'tools' I have referenced. Any others were introduced into the discussion in an attempt to deflect from my point.
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It is necessary to kill and eat living things. You draw a line between plants and animals.

I am more moral than you because I don't eat fruits which is plant veal.:cright:
 
Bijou said:
I'm saying 'go vegan'. It isn't necessary to kill and eat animals in order to live. Implements of death are the only 'tools' I have referenced. Any others were introduced into the discussion in an attempt to deflect from my point.
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I would tell you that many can, but not all. It would be irresponsible and devastating to the cycle of life in areas where humans have participated for so long. The idea that we aren't natural is just plain idiocy. We evolved here too and have participated in this cycle for a very long time. The instantaneous removal of such a huge part of the life cycle wouldn't be just devastating it would likely cause huge amounts of extinctions.. You advocate one of the most irresponsible actions that I have read. Let others deal with their Karma, advocating irresponsible action by humankind because you don't like that we evolved "unfair" advantages isn't just silly, it is unconscionable.
 
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