Here's what I don't understand...

Yeah Onzie, why don't you try to divert the topic of the thread into yet another Dixie-bash-fest! Since you lack the intelligence to actually post on the topic, and you lack the moral character to say anything of relevance about it, that seems to be your best course to take!
 
Yeah Onzie, why don't you try to divert the topic of the thread into yet another Dixie-bash-fest! Since you lack the intelligence to actually post on the topic, and you lack the moral character to say anything of relevance about it, that seems to be your best course to take!

Dixie, you really need to learn about socialism more. It's really a great philosophy that I love. Sharing is caring, after all!
 
Yeah Onzie, why don't you try to divert the topic of the thread into yet another Dixie-bash-fest! Since you lack the intelligence to actually post on the topic, and you lack the moral character to say anything of relevance about it, that seems to be your best course to take!

You accused "us all" of defending terrorism, and "some of us" as even equating it with civil rights. You're allowed to spread that kind of slander without being challenged in Dixieland?

Tell ya what; why don't you get the guy in the cubicle next to you to register on here so he can post about my lack of moral character.
 
You accused "us all" of defending terrorism, and "some of us" as even equating it with civil rights. You're allowed to spread that kind of slander without being challenged in Dixieland?

Tell ya what; why don't you get the guy in the cubicle next to you to register on here so he can post about my lack of moral character.

I didn't accuse anyone, I stated the facts of the matter. I said that I don't understand it, and I don't! Care's explanation is, we should all think positive thoughts and plant daisies and maybe we'll wake up tomorrow in a world full of love! usidiot's explanation is, because Bush was for it, you have to be against it. You don't seem to have an explanation, instead, you want to feign outrage at the very idea that liberals are opposed to fighting terrorism. So, I guess we get more of the same obfuscation as always from the left. Afraid to fight evil, afraid to talk about the issues, you remain self-absorbed and obsessed with trashing people who disagree with you. So be it!
 
I didn't accuse anyone, I stated the facts of the matter. I said that I don't understand it, and I don't! Care's explanation is, we should all think positive thoughts and plant daisies and maybe we'll wake up tomorrow in a world full of love! usidiot's explanation is, because Bush was for it, you have to be against it. You don't seem to have an explanation, instead, you want to feign outrage at the very idea that liberals are opposed to fighting terrorism. So, I guess we get more of the same obfuscation as always from the left. Afraid to fight evil, afraid to talk about the issues, you remain self-absorbed and obsessed with trashing people who disagree with you. So be it!

OH Bullcrud dixie...i specifically said that i did not have the answer on how it should be done, but those in the Intelligence field who had this challenge as a priority, could certainly figure out some kind of moves, or positions, or strategies that didn;t involve warring with the masses and killing the very innocent people you CLAIM you are so concerned about....

care
 
"Care's explanation is, we should all think positive thoughts and plant daisies and maybe we'll wake up tomorrow in a world full of love! "

That's not what Care wrote at all. For someone who gets all arm-waving freaky about pinheads twisting his words & lying, you sure do have a "liberal" way of interpreting what others are saying.

You're really just full of lies, Reb. Nothing more.
 
OH Bullcrud dixie...i specifically said that i did not have the answer on how it should be done, but those in the Intelligence field who had this challenge as a priority, could certainly figure out some kind of moves, or positions, or strategies that didn;t involve warring with the masses and killing the very innocent people you CLAIM you are so concerned about....

care

LMAO.... So we have these people who hold deeply-rooted personal faith in their hearts and souls, that Allah has mandated they advocate a certain behavior which is unacceptable to the rest of the civilized world. Your approach is, you don't know the answer but there has to be some way to change them without killing them? Let me ask you Care, could someone convince you to be something you're not, to believe something you don't believe in? Is there anything that would cause you to change your personal faith? Because that is what we are facing here, these people are not just going to change, nothing we can ever do will change what they believe.

I tell you what I am mostly interested in... living in a world where women are treated as humans, and people of different faiths are allowed the freedom to practice those faiths without threat of death. If that means that some people have to die first, for it to be realized, I can live with that. Radical Islamic extremists are out of control, much the same as Hitler was in WWII. It is an evil that decent human beings around the world have to stop, and I'm afraid there is no "peaceful" way of doing it.
 
LMAO.... So we have these people who hold deeply-rooted personal faith in their hearts and souls, that Allah has mandated they advocate a certain behavior which is unacceptable to the rest of the civilized world. Your approach is, you don't know the answer but there has to be some way to change them without killing them? Let me ask you Care, could someone convince you to be something you're not, to believe something you don't believe in? Is there anything that would cause you to change your personal faith? Because that is what we are facing here, these people are not just going to change, nothing we can ever do will change what they believe.

I tell you what I am mostly interested in... living in a world where women are treated as humans, and people of different faiths are allowed the freedom to practice those faiths without threat of death. If that means that some people have to die first, for it to be realized, I can live with that. Radical Islamic extremists are out of control, much the same as Hitler was in WWII. It is an evil that decent human beings around the world have to stop, and I'm afraid there is no "peaceful" way of doing it.

so, let's cut to the chase, how many millions of muslim people do you WANT to kill to rectify this injustice?

where have you been on helping the Sudanese going through genocide the past 10 years?

I just don't buy in to this 'sob story' that you are giving on how you feel so compassionately about these poor muslim women that have no rights and are subject to their husband's rule, when your answer to helping the supressed women is to kill their husbands and the fathers of their children?

is life better for most women in iraq now than when saddam was ruling? the answer is NO.....why didn't you care about what that war was possibly going to do to them before you rushed in there?

i just plain don't believe you and this so called concern for these women....fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me....


care
 
fanatics suck, regardless of their religious or philosophical beliefs

the 'jihadists' (not really the proper term but has been hijacked by the extremists) are arch conservatives that think that they are on top and do not want any competition or change

islam and hinduism both consider women to be third class
 
so, let's cut to the chase, how many millions of muslim people do you WANT to kill to rectify this injustice?

where have you been on helping the Sudanese going through genocide the past 10 years?

I just don't buy in to this 'sob story' that you are giving on how you feel so compassionately about these poor muslim women that have no rights and are subject to their husband's rule, when your answer to helping the supressed women is to kill their husbands and the fathers of their children?

is life better for most women in iraq now than when saddam was ruling? the answer is NO.....why didn't you care about what that war was possibly going to do to them before you rushed in there?

i just plain don't believe you and this so called concern for these women....fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me....


care

So you are okay with allowing the radical Islamic movement to continue to flourish and spread, because you believe it is better for women to be treated as subhuman subservient slaves, than to be liberated? Or maybe it's that you don't have to live like that, so it doesn't effect you personally, and you can't really muster any concern for others? It's not your problem, is it, Care?

I don't give a damn if you believe me or not, and I don't give a damn if you want to use the Iraq war to continue your justification for turning a blind eye to what is going on! You have to ultimately live with what you think, not me! I just can't understand how liberals, even the ones who proclaim to "CARE FOR ALL" can be so indifferent to what this radical Islamic movement is all about! You don't really CARE FOR ALL, you care for CARE!

Where am I on the Sudanese? The same place I always am on genocide and atrocities against humanity! I think we have a moral obligation to get involved, and if it means blowing things up, that's what it means! I honestly don't know how many Muslims need to be killed, I think it depends on who is killed and what message we send collectively as a people about our tolerance for such behavior! This whole damn country should be outraged over what is happening and what is being allowed in the name of Allah! We should ALL be taking up arms to stop this ideology and bury it forever, but it seems, about half of us want to lolly-gag around and make excuses for why we simply can't do anything about it except live with it! That makes me want to puke!
 
I have said for years, and I still believe it's true...that if we want to convince muslims to stop killing us - and the method we chose to convince them is to kill muslims - we need to be prepared to kill every one of them on the planet, including the millions of them that are American citizens.

Islamic extremism is borne out out economic strife. If we attack the cause instead of its effect, we would be more effective.
 
I have said for years, and I still believe it's true...that if we want to convince muslims to stop killing us - and the method we chose to convince them is to kill muslims - we need to be prepared to kill every one of them on the planet, including the millions of them that are American citizens.

Islamic extremism is borne out out economic strife. If we attack the cause instead of its effect, we would be more effective.



An ideology which supports killing for religious reason is also a factor, though I agree, poverty adds pressure onto that powder keg.
 
NatGeo has been running a special, "Inside alQaeda" which chronicles the rise of the group, and how it came to be. They go into great detail about the relationship with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, as well as the Taliban, and how they all got to where we are today. It also details American involvement with the Northern Alliance, etc.

What I find interesting is, the nature of radical Islamic extremists, which dominate that part of the world. These are religious fanatics of the worst order, they make Southern Baptists look liberal. Hell, they make Christians look liberal!

Some of the stuff they believe in just blows my mind. To think that some people, quite a few actually, believe this stuff in the 21st century, is amazing! For one thing, they do not believe in 'personal freedom' at all, you are beholden to Allah completely. They do not believe in 'women's rights' at all, women are treated as sub-human, along with anyone else who doesn't live and breathe their particular brand of Islamic faith.

As Western culture has infiltrated their region, they have begun an ongoing battle against the west, which they call "Jihad" and their religious leaders have endorsed the killing of innocent people by any means to promote this agenda. This isn't some isolated group of poor minorities just looking for understanding and tolerance. It isn't some downtrodden group of people who have been discriminated against, who need defending by liberals. It is a fairly large group of very bigoted racist and sexist authoritarians, who wish to impose their religious will on the rest of the world.

When you look at the sheer humanitarian atrocities they have committed, along with the consistent discrimination against women and others who don't share their religious views, how can a rational human being defend them? Homosexuality is punishable by death, women who are guilty of disobedience are executed, anyone suspected of violating the religious edicts, are killed. They have zero tolerance for anything not in compliance with the strict code of Islam, and they have no problem with denying the right to live. In short, these people are maniacal monsters who believe they are ordained by their God to do what they are doing! And it's not just a few of them, it's MILLIONS!

We live in a world that is largely insulated from this extremism, so it is logical that some people may be complacent and just fail to realize the magnitude of the situation here. Some of us are just plain selfish, we don't see why it should compel us to do anything about it, we feel like it's a problem for someone else to have to deal with and we shouldn't get involved. We sit comfortably in a country that guarantees our freedom and rights, and we don't see why we should take action to oppose this sort of thing on behalf of others. It's not our place to intervene, or to try and combat this insanity.

Is this who we are as human beings? Should we sit idly by and watch this injustice happen, and not act? Should we simply refuse to open our eyes to the problem, and pretend it doesn't exist? I feel like there are many on the left who would do just that, and proclaim it is these people's right to live that way, if that's what they want to do. But the thing is, many of them don't want to live that way, they have no other viable alternative. Either you subscribe to radical Islam, or you die and your family dies as well. Should we just shrug and say, it's not my problem? What kind of people are we, if that is the approach we are taking? That is what I don't understand.

Dixie....I started to read your post but dude, until you can learn to stop using the word "Liberal" as a pejorative, it's hard to take you serious.
 
An ideology which supports killing for religious reason is also a factor, though I agree, poverty adds pressure onto that powder keg.

the grinding desperation and hopelessness of chronic economic inequity makes violence an attractive option, imho. Without it, Al Qaeda would not have an audience.
 
I have said for years, and I still believe it's true...that if we want to convince muslims to stop killing us - and the method we chose to convince them is to kill muslims - we need to be prepared to kill every one of them on the planet, including the millions of them that are American citizens.

Islamic extremism is borne out out economic strife. If we attack the cause instead of its effect, we would be more effective.

That's not entirely true Maineman. A big part of Islamic extremism is cultural. Much of the Islamic world is midevil in nature. It has not modernized and as such cannot compete with the western powers. It has left them weak and vulnerable and open to exploitation and colonization by the western powers who they legitimately view as a threat to their sovereignty. In part, they recognize and despise their own weaknesses but have lacked the cultural equivalent of a renaissance or reformation to modernize themselves. Much of their hostility towards the west is certainly legitimate when you consider how the western powers have exploited the Islamic and Arab nations over the last 150 years. But that brings us back to modernizing. Until the Islamic nations have modernized to a point that they can compete with the west economically and militarily then the west will remain a legitimate threat to their national interest and thus their hostility towards us will remain.
 
the grinding desperation and hopelessness of chronic economic inequity makes violence an attractive option, imho. Without it, Al Qaeda would not have an audience.


But an ideology that focuses that deperation into violent acts against infidels certainly assists in bringing violence into fruition.
 
diminish and eliminate the cause of the desperation and there is nothing to focus.

Eliminate the translation of the desperation into violence through a jihadist religion, and perhaps they could focus their energy into improving their nations and situation.
 
I think its generally a better idea to modulate how people deal with anger and hardship than to strive for the impossible goal of eliminating all tension from the world.
 
The poor over there would probably be better served dethroning the golden asses from the golden chairs.

But that would be in violation of the theory of hegemonic stability.
 
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