Healthcare hikes... nothing to see here... move along

[Liberty]

Regarding "We all have different needs, varying risks" the problem is we don't know our medical needs and risks beforehand. Does anyone know if they'll contract cancer or diabetes? Have an accident? How can anyone possibly make an informed choice? An analogy would be car insurance. One does not insure their car for damages resulting due to an accident at an intersection only. Or on a highway only. Or in a parking lot only. Any and all damages are covered (liability) because one has no way of knowing where an accident will occur just as one has no idea what illness they'll contract.

Car insurance is affordable for most.

Health insurance is not. (At all)

Can you afford health insurance out of pocket?

 

[christiefan915]

lol... ok...

Snicker if you must, my good man.

My criticism is a lot broader than just disagreeing with a WSJ article. People can't even predict with any accuracy who's going to win the Super Bowl or how many inches of snow Maine will get this winter. Yet the so-called experts claim they know what's going to happen in a country of 300 million people, millions of businesses varying in size, and countless health issues or non-issues in the population, all of which will figure into the equation. And, the law won't be fully in place until 2014, and it'll take some time after that even to get all statistics gathered.

I'm taking the wait-and-see approach and think others should, too.

 

[christiefan915]

well this has little to do with either Republicans or Democrats or the PPACA and it has a hell of a lot to do with the AMA controlling its monopoly on our health care systems. For years they have kept enrollment in Medical School and other high skill medical professional programs artificially low and with astronomical tuition costs so as to keep the numbers of practitioners low which keeps wages and salaries high. Much of the rest of the developed world graduates nearly twice per capita the number of physicians as we do as a far lower cost. If we're going to increase the supply of primary portal phsycians and skilled health care workers and technologist we're going to have to address the near monopoly the AMA has on our health care system.

Absolutely true, and this happened to people I know IRL.

 

[apple0154]

The comparison of auto insurance to medical insurance is a phony one. You can't insure health. Insurance is financial protection against an improbable event.

That is not what healthcare has become. You have no idea what is coming, but you will.

Here is a preview

Hospitals will close
Physicians will either go,out of business, get bought by large practices owned by hospitals or opt out of the system and start private cash only practices
Costs will skyrocket
Care will be rationed

More nonsense. As I've noted numerous times there are countries that have had government health care for over 40 years and some for 100 years and the citzens insist on keeping it. They won't even tolerate a politician bringing up the topic. Around 2004 a Conservative politician in Canada merely mentioned the idea of private medical and he was never heard from again. :lol:


Don't be swayed by all the right wing garbage talk. Dozens of countries have succeeded with government medical and while I realize ObamaCare is far from a government plan it will work it's way there. Obama couldn't get full government medical under the current circumstances but he has moved what is termed the Overton Window. That means the conversation no longer includeS should the government get involved. Going forward the conversation will be about how the governemnt gets involved.

 

[apple0154]

If I want to see my primary Dx, I usually have to set the appointment 3 weeks in advance; or I can see one of his assistants within a week.

When I had my blood/cholesterol test done to see if the meds were working properly my doctor phoned me personally to let me know the meds were working. That's government medical.

It's only logical. Compare the cost to the government to pay my doctor for the time it took him to call me to what it would cost if I had a stroke. The hospitalization. The rehab. The home assistance.

The $$$ associated with the cost of one stroke patient can pay for a hell of a lot of phone calls. :lol:

 

[apple0154]

Car insurance is affordable for most.

Health insurance is not. (At all)

Can you afford health insurance out of pocket?

That's a good question. I don't know. We've had government insurance since 1966. I never had a need to buy health insurance unless I was travelling and that was always less than a month and covered just the extras.

As I've shown in msg #125 government medical is run so that it saves money. We have to remember that private health care is a business. The goal of business is to make money. If you own a business do you want the customer to return or do you tell the customer how they can save money and do things for themseves? The goal of goverment health care is to keep people healthy. There is no financial incentive to have the "customer" return.