Healthcare hikes... nothing to see here... move along

You should know that I went to make a sandwich to think about it before I posted my problems with Obamacare to you. Thanks for not lumping me. :0)

I agree with some of the goals in Obamacare, but it is simply bad law. It was written by the health insurance industry .. which should have alerted people then that the product was going to be bad.

There are not enough doctors for Obamacare, which invites 32 million people into an already broken system. That's a fact.

And of the shrinking pool of family doctors that remain .. who is going to cover Medicaid patients? Medicaid pays peanuts on the dollar. Medicare only pays a few peanuts more.

Wait times will inevitably increase exponentially, and finding a doctor in many rural areas will become a nightmare. Emergency rooms will still be packed and costs will continue to rise.

Democrats should have demanded more from Obama when the country was behind the issue.

curious... if there aren't enough doctors for Obamacare (which I agree with), then would single payer/universal not be in the same boat?

The number of doctors is not going to change, yet both of those would face the same problem... 30 million people being added to the system. In addition, if you had universal/single payer, you would have little to disincentivize those that would run to the doctor every time they get the sniffles. At least with co-pays they feel some economic hit to go to the doc, regardless of how small it may be (obviously the more a person makes, the less co pays are a factor)
 
It's a cartel, open up medical schools to the working class

Or import them from Cuba .. which has more than any nation in the world per capita.

What's With All the Cuban Doctors?
How Castro built a nation of physicians.

excerpt --

Well, because Castro said so. The Cuban constitution guarantees every inhabitant the "right to health protection and care." After the revolution in 1959, half of the country's 6,000 doctors fled the island. The new government promoted medical education as part of a national project to revamp the health-care system, and by 1984, Cuba had enough doctors to put a physician and a nurse in every neighborhood. Some will tell you Cubans become doctors because they believe in universal health care; others emphasize the social and economic rewards. (Doctor aren't paid much, though—some make less than $40 a month.) Whatever their motivations, Cuba has more doctors per capita than any other country: 70,000 for a population of 11 million.

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In fact, Cuba's medical prowess may be its ticket out of poverty. In the 1990s, Cuba was the first country to develop a meningitis B vaccine. In 2005, Cuba provided cancer treatment technology for a new biotech company in China. Then last year Washington agreed to make an exception to the trade embargo to allow a California firm to test a Cuban cancer treatment. Thanks to an increase in biotech exports, Cuba raised its health budget a couple of years ago to $300 million.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...2007/02/whats_with_all_the_cuban_doctors.html

Pretty easy to do when education .. from cradle to the grave .. is free.
 
curious... if there aren't enough doctors for Obamacare (which I agree with), then would single payer/universal not be in the same boat?

The number of doctors is not going to change, yet both of those would face the same problem... 30 million people being added to the system. In addition, if you had universal/single payer, you would have little to disincentivize those that would run to the doctor every time they get the sniffles. At least with co-pays they feel some economic hit to go to the doc, regardless of how small it may be (obviously the more a person makes, the less co pays are a factor)

Good question .. but the answer is that Medicare pays for advanced education (GME) for most aspiring doctors.

The plan for Medicare-for-All treats healthcare as a growth industry .. and one that could not be imported overseas. Education and doctor retention was a central part of the plan .. along with booming construction of new facilities (JOBS), new schools (JOBS), new healthcare industries (JOBS), expanded opportunities for all healthcare professionals. students, and everyone in related fields (JOBS).

That is a plan that could have been sold to the American people.

Medicare is one of the most popular programs in American history.
 
I'd consider the possibility (remote as it is) that a public option was viable. Medicare for all simply would never have happened. Ever. Regardless of what the President wanted, it would not have happened.

I completely disagree .. but what is not in dispute is that what passed is unpopular and led to a political disaster.

Obama could have taken a good case to the American people .. a strategy that he is not unfamiliar with. In fact, he's doing it now on the debt crises.
 
What Does Medicare Have to Do with Graduate Medical Education?
https://www.aamc.org/initiatives/gmefunding/factsheets/253372/medicare-gme.html

It most certainly cannot be done this way ..

GME funding showdown looms in Washington
Many in organized medicine want more residency positions, but government officials have recommended reducing federal GME spending.

For years, medical educators and others in academic medicine have warned of the need to expand federal funding for graduate medical education to stave off impending physician shortages.

Nationwide, work force shortages are expected to reach 62,900 physicians by 2015 and 91,500 by 2020, according to the Assn. of American Medical Colleges. More doctors will be needed due to an aging population, rising chronic disease rates and an influx of an estimated 30 million newly insured individuals over the next decade under the Affordable Care Act.

Despite those projections, there have been multiple proposals to slash GME funding as pressure mounts for Congress to reduce federal spending and prevent automatic, governmentwide cuts from taking effect starting in 2013. GME reductions as high as 50% have been recommended by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission and the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, as well as President Obama’s budget proposal.

However, some physicians and others are backing a proposal to expand GME funding. Introduced Aug. 2 in the House, with a companion bill in the Senate, HR 6352 calls for Medicare to add 15,000 more residency slots over five years.

Medicare contributes the bulk of GME funding, about $9.5 billion a year.

“The U.S. is already facing the reality of having a significant shortfall in trained doctors and medical professionals, and this shortage will only continue to grow if we don’t begin to address the problem now,” said Rep. Aaron Schock (R, Ill.), the bill’s sponsor.

Medicare funding for GME has been capped since the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, raising concerns that there won’t be enough residency positions to train an expanding pool of U.S. medical school graduates. Cutting those funds would be devastating, said Stephen Shannon, DO, MPH, president and CEO of the American Assn. of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine.

“The shortage of physicians in our health care system, particularly in primary care, is nothing short of a national crisis,” he said.

The American Medical Association has supported lifting the 1997 funding cap. AMA policy says the Association will advocate to increase GME positions to address physician work force needs.

During the last several years, medical schools have responded to physician shortage projections by expanding class sizes and opening new allopathic and osteopathic schools for the first time in decades. But that growth hasn’t been mirrored in GME.

“There has been some growth, but it has been pretty marginal,” Dr. Shannon said. “There is increasing recognition that there is a squeeze coming. None of us wants to be graduating students who can’t go on to do their residency training to become physicians.”

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Without more federal money, many residency programs cannot grow to meet increasing demands, said Lisa Bellini, MD, vice chair for education in the Dept. of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine.

“There are only so many sources of revenue for hospitals,” she said. “It just gets more and more difficult to expand or even maintain what you’ve got.”

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HR 6352, also known as the Resident Physician Shortage Reduction and Graduate Medical Education Accountability and Transparency Act, would do more than expand Medicare funding for an additional 15,000 GME slots. It also would require academic medical centers to meet new performance standards or risk payment reductions.

The American Medical Student Assn. would like to see more focus on ensuring that any expansion of funding is tied to meeting society’s health care needs, particularly through training more primary care physicians, said AMSA President Elizabeth Wiley, MD, MPH.

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While debate continues about how best to fund and structure GME, many agree that proposals to cut GME funding suddenly would be devastating to the system.

After surveying GME programs, the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education estimated in a 2011 report that a 50% reduction in Medicare GME funding would result in the closing of 2,551 residency and fellowship programs nationwide and the loss of 33,023 GME positions.


Such cuts would result in some U.S. medical school graduates losing their chance to complete training, said Dr. Wiley, of the AMSA. Cuts also would hit teaching hospitals, which rely on physicians-in-training to help care for patients at less cost than attending physicians.

“It’s a recipe for disaster,” she said.
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2012/08/27/prl20827.htm

So at the same time the healthcare system is suffering from a lack of doctors during an explosion of new patients .. the Obama Administration is planning to cut funding for GME training.
 
Good question .. but the answer is that Medicare pays for advanced education (GME) for most aspiring doctors.

The plan for Medicare-for-All treats healthcare as a growth industry .. and one that could not be imported overseas. Education and doctor retention was a central part of the plan .. along with booming construction of new facilities (JOBS), new schools (JOBS), new healthcare industries (JOBS), expanded opportunities for all healthcare professionals. students, and everyone in related fields (JOBS).

That is a plan that could have been sold to the American people.

Medicare is one of the most popular programs in American history.

thanks... I will have to read up on the GME... was not aware of it.
 
In 2008, the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) released a study that identified a looming crisis for the U.S. healthcare sector. The study projected that there will be a national shortage of 124,000 physicians by 2025, driven in large part by a growing and aging national population. In addition, the demand is on the rise for treatment of conditions related to the obesity epidemic. A June 2010 update to the study indicated that the passage of federal healthcare reform will further increase the demand for physician services by expanding insurance coverage to approximately 30 million previously uninsured individuals. This newly insured population is likely to initially utilize physician services at a higher rate than average due to the fact that ailments went untreated for numerous years. As a result, the shortage grows to 130,600 physicians.10 Table 1 shows how the physician shortage will grow over time.

from my link... just one of the points mentioned
 
Thanks... I was not aware that Medicare and Medicaid funded some of those residencies etc...

The following is what I found at first look, starts off talking about AZ specifically, but some very good info in it as well. Reiterates what your articles state...

http://slhi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/pp-2011-April-GME.pdf

"An adequate number of healthcare workers plays an important role in ensuring that Arizonans have ready access to care. However, Arizona has far fewer physicians and residents per capita than the national average. Beginning in 2014, demand for these physicians is likely to increase due to the expansion of health coverage contained in the federal health reform law known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Additionally, the demand for healthcare services is expected to increase due to the aging of the national population and the continued growth of the obesity epidemic. In particular, there will be greater demand for primary care doctors as the healthcare system puts increased emphasis on delivering care in the most cost-effective setting before conditions become acute.'

That is an absolute fact for every state .. even in Massachusetts where they have more doctors than most states and Romneycare is already in place.

Physician shortage in Massachusetts continues to squeeze primary care

Massachusetts is facing severe or critical shortages of doctors in eight specialties, including a deficiency of primary care physicians for the sixth year, a survey shows.

more
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2011/10/10/prsc1012.htm
 
must have missed that one... anyway, very interesting. Especially given the Obama admin cut funding to the GME program via Medicare.

The 2014 midterms are once again going to be a disaster for democrats.

I predicted that in 2010 .. and correctly predicted that the Tea Party would be Obama's best weapon for re-election .. and predicted that he would win because of them.

Good for Obama, bad for democrats and the country.
 
Of course, the corporatists on both sides passed a bill that ensured the HC ins companies would come out well.
 
"An adequate number of healthcare workers plays an important role in ensuring that Arizonans have ready access to care. However, Arizona has far fewer physicians and residents per capita than the national average. Beginning in 2014, demand for these physicians is likely to increase due to the expansion of health coverage contained in the federal health reform law known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Additionally, the demand for healthcare services is expected to increase due to the aging of the national population and the continued growth of the obesity epidemic. In particular, there will be greater demand for primary care doctors as the healthcare system puts increased emphasis on delivering care in the most cost-effective setting before conditions become acute.'

That is an absolute fact for every state .. even in Massachusetts where they have more doctors than most states and Romneycare is already in place.

Physician shortage in Massachusetts continues to squeeze primary care

Massachusetts is facing severe or critical shortages of doctors in eight specialties, including a deficiency of primary care physicians for the sixth year, a survey shows.

more
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2011/10/10/prsc1012.htm
well this has little to do with either Republicans or Democrats or the PPACA and it has a hell of a lot to do with the AMA controlling its monopoly on our health care systems. For years they have kept enrollment in Medical School and other high skill medical professional programs artificially low and with astronomical tuition costs so as to keep the numbers of practitioners low which keeps wages and salaries high. Much of the rest of the developed world graduates nearly twice per capita the number of physicians as we do as a far lower cost. If we're going to increase the supply of primary portal phsycians and skilled health care workers and technologist we're going to have to address the near monopoly the AMA has on our health care system.
 
Of course, the corporatists on both sides passed a bill that ensured the HC ins companies would come out well.
Yes...but it did something extremly important.....it established a legal precedent. The PPACA is just a begining, it would be a mistake to think otherwise. The PPACA only addresses near universal coverage and much of the standardized reporting of procedures that will be required to perform an accurate cost/benefit analysis of most medical procedures. It does little to address standardization in the payement system (single payer system?) nor does it do anything explicity to control cost. Those are things that are on the horizon though.
 
That's just the WSJ trying to scare people. If the WSJ proposed market approach worked we #1. wouldn't be in our current jam of escalating prices and #2 We wouldn't be trying to reform our health care system.
The prices jumped after the reforms were put in place.
 
yeah we will end up with a public option at least.


I wish you fools on the right would stop fighting the smartest ideas the hardest

I see you agree with me that this plan was about letting the insurance people rape america for a few years until we beg for a single payer system.
I bet you blame republicans, huh?
 
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