Healthcare debate really bringing out the stupid in righties

 
Yurt - I remember you defending one of meme's lies in the same pathetic way. I think it was one of the usual distortions - she was saying people would be FORCED to engage in end-of-life planning.

Someone called her on the lie, and you jumped in and said the same essential thing (paraphrasing here): "Well, it COULD happen. Unless you can proved it could NOT happen, it's not a lie."

But it's in there in black & white. All they want to do is provide funding for end-of-life counseling, though medicare, so people have the OPTION. It's a flat-out lie to say it's mandated, or ever could be under the language of the bill.

Why is it so hard to admit that?

So yeah - I have no problem insulting people who stand by those kinds of assertions, because they're idiots. And that's not the reason support is going down. Support is going down because the campaign of fear & distortion is working.
 
DNC said:
Your propaganda will fail. The only Death Panels are in the employ of the profit-hungry insurance companies, and we will remind people of that.
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Silliness, all we have to do is play the first responses over and over again.

The reality is every insurance is rationed, including government care. It has to be or we'd be wasting money trying to raise the dead. We can take care of the "death panels" through regulation rather than trying to foist "government option" onto a public that is increasingly against it.
 
Damocles said:
Silliness, all we have to do is play the first responses over and over again.

The reality is every insurance is rationed, including government care. It has to be or we'd be wasting money trying to raise the dead. We can take care of the "death panels" through regulation rather than trying to foist "government option" onto a public that is increasingly against it.
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Blasphemer!
 
And froggie is right. If they wrote everything the insurance companies do RIGHT NOW into a bill, for everyone to see in black & white, people would scream bloody murder...
 
Onceler said:
And froggie is right. If they wrote everything the insurance companies do RIGHT NOW into a bill, for everyone to see in black & white, people would scream bloody murder...
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thanks, I believe they would, most federal and state workers aren't aware that their great policies change over to Medicare once they are 65. It cracks me up, really, it does!
 
Did the Republicans try to rein in the greed of the health care CEOs?

The GOP hasn't acted to curb the insurance company Death Panels, so now we will.

Republicans are irrelevant.
 
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DNC said:
Did the Republicans try to rein in the greed of the health care CEOs?

The GOP hasn't acted to curb the insurance company Death Panels, so now we will.

Republicans are irrelevant.
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This is just inanity. It simply transfers the same choices to a different group of bureaucrats, one that has proven in the past to be less than beneficent and which happens to exclude itself from lawsuits too often.

I would prefer company faceless bureaucrats to government faceless bureaucrats, because they are not excluded from repercussion through lawsuits.
 
Damocles said:
This is just inanity. It simply transfers the same choices to a different group of bureaucrats, one that has proven in the past to be less than beneficent and which happens to exclude itself from lawsuits too often.

I would prefer company faceless bureaucrats to government faceless bureaucrats, because they are not excluded from repercussion through lawsuits.
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I don't believe private enterprise will ever police themselves, that is why it is necessary for government intervention! See early history of America! and the creation of the unions!
 
I have good news for you.

When health care reform passes, you can continue to put your life in the hands of the insurance company Death Panel. You should be thankful you can pay for the "privilege".

Many others cannot, so why deny them a choice and a chance to live?
 
froggie said:
I don't believe private enterprise will ever police themselves, that is why it is necessary for government intervention! See early history of America! and the creation of the unions!
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This is what regulation is for. It is silly to say that they won't "police themselves" so we then need the government to take it over. One thing that I know that "government intervention" has rarely been beneficial to those who have most received it. Go to South Dakota, visit a few of the reservations and see what "government intervention" brings and how beneficent the government is.
 
Damocles said:
This is what regulation is for. It is silly to say that they won't "police themselves" so we then need the government to take it over.
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Why is it silly, who will police them? Let them have Capitalism run amok?

Should people just take to the streets?

How do you propose we limit too much control on either side?
 
DNC said:
I have good news for you.

When health care reform passes, you can continue to put your life in the hands of the insurance company Death Panel. You should be thankful you can pay for the "privilege".

Many others cannot, so why deny them a choice and a chance to live?
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Because the government "option" is designed, per your own leaders, to be the first step toward "single-payer" coverage. And I believe that we can come up with a far better solution than that crap.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndStT6c93rc"]YouTube - Proof Positive the Public Option Will Lead to Single Payer[/ame]

Each of them speak of working towards it and what the "goal" is "to create a system that will develop into a single-payer system"...

How difficult it is to do "in one step"...
 
Damocles said:
Because the government "option" is designed, per your own leaders, to be the first step toward "single-payer" coverage. And I believe that we can come up with a far better solution than that crap.

YouTube - Proof Positive the Public Option Will Lead to Single Payer

Each of them speak of working towards it and what the "goal" is "to create a system that will develop into a single-payer system"...
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So, why aren't we? Too busy watching real TV? I say we elect Dexter! One man death panel!
 
froggie said:
Why is it silly, who will police them? Let them have Capitalism run amok?

Should people just take to the streets?

How do you propose we limit too much control on either side?
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Are you deliberately obtuse? Please read my post again and tell me where regulation means we shouldn't police them. I'll keep waiting forever because it suggests we should do just that.
 
froggie said:
So, why aren't we? Too busy watching real TV? I say we elect Dexter! One man death panel!
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Because single-payer options are failing, they are introducing hybrid systems because they cannot sustain themselves. IMO, we can do one better and avoid that pitfall entirely by avoiding the attempt at single-payer at all.
 
Obtuse, them's big words, mister!

Can't see the forest for the trees, Damo?

Isn't regulation a form of intervention?
 
DNC said:
So they have been policing themselves?
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Not even close. Most of the problem lies in over 50 different regulatory bodies making it costly and almost impossibly inefficient to offer a simple insurance that can cover everybody everywhere.
 
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