Healthcare bill

Nomad said:
Thinly veiled justification for the kind of right-wing greed that puts money not only above human misery and suffering, but above the misery and suffering of their fellow countrymen, women and children.

And the dumbest part of the rights position is that, insurance or not, eventually sick people will need to seek treatment. But because they lack insurance due to the unGodly expense, they'll wait until their illness gets so bad they have no choice but to go to ER's where treatment cannot be refused, and where the now, much more expensive bill they cannot afford to pay, will be passed on to the taxpayer anyway.

Too bad right-wing hatred, resentment and greed is too shortsighted to grasp that.

But then again, I guess the logical extension of your position is to get the laws to where even ER's can refuse treatment based on ability to pay and poor sick people would be told to go somewhere and die.

That's what you really want isn't it, right wing scum?
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why don't you get off your whine tour and tell us what you think the solution is.

A wise man said before you whine and moan about someone elses solution to a problem it may mean more if you had one of your own
 
Instead of taking the ludicrous stance that Republicans want to take health care away from poor people so they can give money to rich people, which is actually more stupid when you say it out loud (try it),
maybe democrats can admit Obamacare is collapsing and offer some help on the solution to rescue it from itself
 
Deplorable Me said:
No one does. Not my responsibility to pay for you to fuck.
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Your taxes are always going to pay for health care for the poor one way or the other, no matter which party is in office.

The difference is that under Republican "health no-care" you're also going to pay higher insurance premiums on top of that, in order to compensate for all the free ER care the hospitals are forced to give away because of Republicans' need to satisfy their greedy, hateful, resentful base.

As I said in an earlier post, the right won't be happy until ER's are legally allowed to refuse treatment on the basis lack of ability to pay.

That is the "America" your side wants.

I pray you never get it.
 
Getin the ring said:
Instead of taking the ludicrous stance that Republicans want to take health care away from poor people so they can give money to rich people, which is actually more stupid when you say it out loud (try it),
maybe democrats can admit Obamacare is collapsing and offer some help on the solution to rescue it from itself
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Why are those huge tax cuts in the Repugnants' health don't care bill then, Einstoned?
 
Nomad said:
Your taxes are always going to pay for health care for the poor one way or the other, no matter which party is in office.

The difference is that under Republican "health no-care" you're also going to pay higher insurance premiums on top of that, in order to compensate for all the free ER care the hospitals are forced to give away because of Republicans' need to satisfy their greedy, hateful, resentful base.

As I said in an earlier post, the right won't be happy until ER's are legally allowed to refuse treatment on the basis lack of ability to pay.

That is the "America" your side wants.

I pray you never get it.
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Who do you think is paying for the billions of dollars of 'free' subsidies floating around? People already pay higher premiums and ERs give away plenty of 'free' healthcare.

Obamacare was a poorly designed plan which has gotten us to this point. The shoddily run govt being in charge of healthcare would be a death sentence for many. Hope you never get that wish.
 
Deplorable Me said:
Who do you think is paying for the billions of dollars of 'free' subsidies floating around? People already pay higher premiums and ERs give away plenty of 'free' healthcare.

Obamacare was a poorly designed plan which has gotten us to this point. The shoddily run govt being in charge of healthcare would be a death sentence for many. Hope you never get that wish.
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No shit. That's why Obama tried to expand Medicaid nationwide and pay for it with the billions in savings brought about via Medicare reforms.

Had the right-wing red state assholes not refused to participate, hospitals would have gotten reimbursed for treatment and ER care wouldn't have been necessary for non-emergency treatment to begin with.

That's why hospitals across the nation as well as associations which represent their interests, were on their knees begging the Repugnants to pass Medicaid expansion in their states.

It's a shame that people on your side are so blinded by your visceral, petty hatred and resentment of others that you can't even grasp such a fundamentally simple concept.
 
anything besides SPay is an inherent compromise on universal access.
The problem is Obamacare was way too expensive for many users, and become not profitable for providers.

But I always ask "who is going to pay for universal Medicade expansion? or even at the level under OBcare.
we already have an entitlement crunch -this makes it worse..

SP is the only way, everything is is flawed one way or the other
 
Getin the ring said:
Instead of taking the ludicrous stance that Republicans want to take health care away from poor people so they can give money to rich people, which is actually more stupid when you say it out loud (try it),
maybe democrats can admit Obamacare is collapsing and offer some help on the solution to rescue it from itself
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If you knew anything about ACA, you'd realize how stupid this post is. Fact...Republicans NEED to repeal ACA, in order to do away with a 3.8.% cap gains tax on those who earn over $200k/year via capital gains.

Now tell us who earns more than $200k/year via cap gains?
 
Nomad said:
Your taxes are always going to pay for health care for the poor one way or the other, no matter which party is in office.

The difference is that under Republican "health no-care" you're also going to pay higher insurance premiums on top of that, in order to compensate for all the free ER care the hospitals are forced to give away because of Republicans' need to satisfy their greedy, hateful, resentful base.

As I said in an earlier post, the right won't be happy until ER's are legally allowed to refuse treatment on the basis lack of ability to pay.

That is the "America" your side wants.

I pray you never get it.
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Worse yet, after decades of cost sharing where young healthy people pay into a system at a lower rate, but higher than their risk, Republicans want to charge people over 50 ten times more than younger people.

So...after 30-40 years of paying into a system that would keep healthcare affordable later in life, the older demographic is now expected to foot the bill for their entire healthcare cost.
 
Nomad said:
Just like I said earlier.

Putting money ahead of human life.

Pure right-wing scum.
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Actually, I've called for a repeal of EMTALA instead of a mandate. That way, people would be more apt to purchase insurance if they know they cannot receive free care at a hospital.

Raygun's EMTALA opened the door to what we now recognize as gross abuse of our hospitals.
 
Althea said:
If you knew anything about ACA, you'd realize how stupid this post is. Fact...Republicans NEED to repeal ACA, in order to do away with a 3.8.% cap gains tax on those who earn over $200k/year via capital gains.

Now tell us who earns more than $200k/year via cap gains?
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Althea said:
Actually, I've called for a repeal of EMTALA instead of a mandate. That way, people would be more apt to purchase insurance if they know they cannot receive free care at a hospital.

Raygun's EMTALA opened the door to what we now recognize as gross abuse of our hospitals.
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That would make perfect sense if there was a such thing as decent insurance that poor people could afford.

If you have no money, you can't buy insurance.
 
Deplorable Me said:
Who do you think is paying for the billions of dollars of 'free' subsidies floating around? People already pay higher premiums and ERs give away plenty of 'free' healthcare.

Obamacare was a poorly designed plan which has gotten us to this point. The shoddily run govt being in charge of healthcare would be a death sentence for many. Hope you never get that wish.
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Wrong. ACA was NOT created in a vacuum. In exchange for being forced to cover numerous preventive procedures, pre existing conditions, and kids under 27, the govt. promised insurers cost sharing money, as well as risk corridor money.


After a successful Supreme Court challenge to the funding, House Republicans defunded those programs in an effort to destroy ACA. Insurers are dropping out of exchanges because they are owed millions of dollars from the Feds.


Republicans destroyed a well thought out law, and now try to point fingers.

At least keep your facts straight as you spew your nonsense here.
 
Nomad said:
That would make perfect sense if there was a such thing as decent insurance that poor people could afford.

If you have no money, you can't buy insurance.
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The truly poor qualify for Medicaid. It's those on the bubble who have problems, but their free hospital care jack everyone's insurance rates up. Complex issue.
 
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