Health Care Is Not A Right!

Milagro said:
You're a mug!!

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You're just a cunt. Another bleeding heart asshole that claims to believe in something yet thinks others should be forced to fund it.
 
iolo said:
I put them on 'ignore' - but that tends to make a discussion like this incomprehensible, since so few sensible people contribute.
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You've got endurance, kid. I find placating folk like CFM and Guille akin to banging one's head against a wall....it feels so good when you stop.
 
philly rabbit said:
This is one topic that I completely agree with Ron Paul on while disagreeing with the president, that being the ever growing, tax draining monster called health care. The republicans didn't replace Obama care with a better plan because there is no better plan. Both parties have this belief in their heads that health care is the responsibility of the federal government because health care is a right.

It is not, and under the constitution, it was never meant to be. The monster in the room will continue to grow and it's hunger for tax dollars will never cease because health care is supposed to be a right of the people.

The president should spend his term in office finding ways to slow down the growth of the monster and save billions of dollars doing it such as making cuts to both medicare and Medicaid whenever possible.
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Sorry to inform you and that bastion of Constitutional knowledge Ron Paul, but healthcare is a right, as there is that "general welfare" stipulation in the Constitution. And no, it's not just in the preamble. Behold from Wikipedia:

The Taxing and Spending Clause[1] (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause[2] and the Uniformity Clause[3]), Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation. While authorizing Congress to levy taxes, this clause permits the levying of taxes for two purposes only: to pay the debts of the United States, and to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. Taken together, these purposes have traditionally been held to imply and to constitute the federal government's taxing and spending power.[4]
 
Taichiliberal said:
Sorry to inform you and that bastion of Constitutional knowledge Ron Paul, but healthcare is a right, as there is that "general welfare" stipulation in the Constitution. And no, it's not just in the preamble. Behold from Wikipedia:

The Taxing and Spending Clause[1] (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause[2] and the Uniformity Clause[3]), Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation. While authorizing Congress to levy taxes, this clause permits the levying of taxes for two purposes only: to pay the debts of the United States, and to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. Taken together, these purposes have traditionally been held to imply and to constitute the federal government's taxing and spending power.[4]
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Sorry to inform you but general welfare doesn't mean healthcare is a right. You want it to mean that like a good little Liberal and someone that doesn't expect freeloaders to do anything for themselves.

If you want someone without healthcare to have it, provide it to them personally. I don't owe it to them and if they aren't willing to do it themselves or you do it for them instead, let them do without.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Sorry to inform you and that bastion of Constitutional knowledge Ron Paul, but healthcare is a right, as there is that "general welfare" stipulation in the Constitution. And no, it's not just in the preamble. Behold from Wikipedia:

The Taxing and Spending Clause[1] (which contains provisions known as the General Welfare Clause[2] and the Uniformity Clause[3]), Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, grants the federal government of the United States its power of taxation. While authorizing Congress to levy taxes, this clause permits the levying of taxes for two purposes only: to pay the debts of the United States, and to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. Taken together, these purposes have traditionally been held to imply and to constitute the federal government's taxing and spending power.[4]
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True but...how are the taxes levied?
 
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


So yeah, healthcare is a right of the American people, as it is conducive to the "general welfare". Deal with it, you corporate lackeys!
 
Taichiliberal said:
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


So yeah, healthcare is a right of the American people, as it is conducive to the "general welfare". Deal with it, you corporate lackeys!
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Hey dumbass, that didn't answer my question. Apportionment bitch.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


So yeah, healthcare is a right of the American people, as it is conducive to the "general welfare". Deal with it, you corporate lackeys!
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That's called rationalization of yet another fucking piece of shit bleeding heart Liberal that isn't willing to do for others what he wants the rest of us forced to do. Typical.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


So yeah, healthcare is a right of the American people, as it is conducive to the "general welfare". Deal with it, you corporate lackeys!
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Common defense and general welfare .... a federal military in times of war.

Absolutely nothing to do with socialized medicine.
 
philly rabbit said:
Common defense and general welfare .... a federal military in times of war.

Absolutely nothing to do with socialized medicine.
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Man, get the crack out of the pipe! YOUR MORONIC REVISIONIST INTERPRETATION IS NOT WHAT THE ARTICLE STATES! That's why they went to the trouble to specify the separate nature of the two.

Like it or not, the "general welfare" of the people encompasses health care. It took this country a LONG time to get it to the current level now, and it's STILL inefficient on many levels. But YOU benefit from it, so to try and deny it to others is akin to a sin.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Man, get the crack out of the pipe! YOUR MORONIC REVISIONIST INTERPRETATION IS NOT WHAT THE ARTICLE STATES! That's why they went to the trouble to specify the separate nature of the two.

Like it or not, the "general welfare" of the people encompasses health care. It took this country a LONG time to get it to the current level now, and it's STILL inefficient on many levels. But YOU benefit from it, so to try and deny it to others is akin to a sin.
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It doesn't encompass healthcare because a piece of shit like you says so, NL.

If you think someone without it should have it, pay for it on their behalf with your money. Anything less than that where the rest of us are forced to fund it is a sin.

I can't benefit from something I had before Obamacare was in place. That's just another lie by lefties that think people should have something they don't have but won't pay for it on their behalf.
 
Bill said:
Does it say in the constitution Vets should get free care??
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A vet isn't getting it for free. It's been earned.

Shaquanda, getting Medicaid for her 3 bastard children from 3 unknown baby daddies, is a different story.
 
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