Health Care Is Not A Right!

Buckly J. Ewer said:
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.
http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Insurance is a contract, represented by a policy, in which an individual or entity receives financial protection or reimbursement against losses from an insurance company. The company pools clients' risks to make payments more affordable for the insured.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/insurance.asp
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It's good to see one of you be honest about what Democracy is.
 
midcan5 said:
There is no such thing as rights so to argue that anything is or is not a right is an empty argument. All things we consider as rights are social constructs and thus open to discussion within society or whatever you call the place you agree to live. Heathcare is a right in America as hospitals must take care of patients if they obey the law in America. So then healthcare is a right in America. Kinda simple really.
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Classic textbook example of circular reasoning. Start with the statement you intend to prove.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
I was talking about the moral values of humanity and how some American republicans are an exception to values the rest of the world take as fundamental to being a human .
I believe Cypress was alluding to the same thing.
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OK, that's possible. But I still don't think it's productive to bring foreign opinions into a discussion of what the Constitution means.
 
Cypress said:
Feel free to tell your grandparents, your uncles, and your aunts to their faces that you demand they give up their Medicare because you are ideologically against the idea.
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That wasn't the point I was making. I think using the decisions of an international body to influence domestic opinion on what our Constitution means is a very bad idea.
 
Guille said:
No, you aren't.
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Insurance is socialistic in nature. The collective wealth of many supports the needs of the unfortunate few.
Everyone pays car insurance. Only a few will have accidents and need to collect on their policy. All are potentially protected.
If no one paid in, it would never work. If everyone collected , it would never work.
But it does work just fine because everyone must pay, and none of the participants can lose big.
It's pure socialism.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
Insurance is socialistic in nature. The collective wealth of many supports the needs of the unfortunate few.
Everyone pays car insurance. Only a few will have accidents and need to collect on their policy. All are potentially protected.
If no one paid in, it would never work. If everyone collected , it would never work.
But it does work just fine because everyone must pay, and none of the participants can lose big.
It's pure socialism.
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I'd say that the way insurance works in America today is fascist.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
How so?
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If it were socialist the government would have total control over it but that's not what we have. What we have is the classic public/private partnership, the government influencing how privately held capital is used with the blessing of private concerns instead of exercising outright control.
 
Guille said:
If it were socialist the government would have total control over it but that's not what we have. What we have is the classic public/private partnership, the government influencing how privately held capital is used with the blessing of private concerns instead of exercising outright control.
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You are confused by totalitarian socialism.
Insurance schemes are voluntary socialism/ capitalism regulated by the government to protect the interests of the public participants.
That is not Marxism, but it is socialism.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
You don't believe socialism can be no-totalitarian.
You are caught up in the simplistic negative connotation the concept has.
Your definition is very, very narrow.
Typical of a republican.
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It's not my definition. If you want to try to rewrite definitions fine but I'm buying what you're selling.
 
midcan5 said:
There is no such thing as rights so to argue that anything is or is not a right is an empty argument. All things we consider as rights are social constructs and thus open to discussion within society or whatever you call the place you agree to live. Heathcare is a right in America as hospitals must take care of patients if they obey the law in America. So then healthcare is a right in America. Kinda simple really.
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This. ^ In addition to the fact that "rights are what we decide they are," rational arguments can be made regarding what ends and means are more or less worthy than others. Healthcare and education should be near the top of anyone's list, certainly before newer and better bombs or bigger and stronger prisons. Any argument that goes outside of midcan5's construct must seek refuge for support in stone tablets from on high or watery tarts in lakes handing swords to kings.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
no you're not. you're participating in an altered MLM scheme where the other investors of the scam cover the scammers losses. insurance is a ponzi scheme.
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As a civil litigation attorney and a property and casualty insurance licensee, I can assure you that you are a moron. You can rest easily now in that knowledge and stop trying to think.
 
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