Hamas agrees to most of TRUMP peace plan

[IBDaMann]

Good, if it works out trump will deserve Kudos.

Good. If you give Trump kudos, you will deserve kudos.

Sadly, Qatar, who gave trump a 747 is trump's ally.

Nobody gave Trump any 747.

Qatar just happens to be Hamas' biggest donor.

Qatar doesn't donate to Hamas. Qatar donated to Al Qassam.

Like I say - I hope it works out.

Like I say, I hope you earn your kudos.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Trump stopping illegal border crossings via breaking international laws and with some of the most immoral actions possible is not something to brag about even if you are happy with the result.

What "international laws" were broken in stopping illegal entry into the US? Cite them.

i could stop all speeding and Jwalking tomorrow if i gave the police the power to shoot and kill offenders on the spot. We might like the result with the end of speeding and jwalking but no one should think the method is a good one or should have been done by any other party.

This is just a repeat of the Reductio ad absurdum argument as a red herring.

 

[QP!]

What "international laws" were broken in stopping illegal entry into the US? Cite them.

This is just a repeat of the Reductio ad absurdum argument as a red herring.

I am not going to answer questions you are making up that i never said.

What i said breaks international law and the US constitution is the cruel and unusual punishment done in the example i gave.

You keep going back to 'but they were crossing the border illegally' as if that then allows the US to do anything they want to punish them. That is wrong.

And stop using terms you not only do not understand but certainly cannot apply.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I am not going to answer questions you are making up that i never said.

What i said breaks international law and the US constitution is the cruel and unusual punishment done in the example i gave.

Your "example(s)" is meaningless. You cite nothing in actual law and are just making it up as you go.

You keep going back to 'but they were crossing the border illegally' as if that then allows the US to do anything they want to punish them. That is wrong.

The US, when the federal government is following the law, as Trump's ICE and DOJ are, can arrest and deport anyone who is illegally in the country. They can deport anyone who is a foreign citizen who has broken other US criminal or civil law.

And stop using terms you not only do not understand but certainly cannot apply.

What terms are those?

 

[Lionfish]

If it works, what are the odds it will last for any length of time?

How many Middle East peace plans have there been over the past 50 years which have all ended with the return of fighting and violence?

If you're only cheering about this because it gives you an excuse to praise trump, you don't really give a shit about peace or an end to the bloodshed over there.

Is the release of the hostages a big deal?

 

[RB 60]

I don't recall this conversation being any of your business.

Aren't you a champion for free speech?

 

[LurchAddams]

Aren't you a champion for free speech?

I'm just a champion in general.

 

[QP!]

Your "example(s)" is meaningless. You cite nothing in actual law and are just making it up as you go.


The US, when the federal government is following the law, as Trump's ICE and DOJ are, can arrest and deport anyone who is illegally in the country. They can deport anyone who is a foreign citizen who has broken other US criminal or civil law.

What terms are those?

The example is proper. You are just too stupid to understand it.

Just because a law is broken and you can deport DOES NOT mean that choosing an extreme location that poses great threat is not 'cruel and unusual punishment'.

Do you agree with that Terry or would you say anywhere they choose to drop them off in the world is fair game?

 

[Jarod]

Hamas accepts Trump peace plan ending 2 years of war in Gaza, returning hostages​

Hamas accepts Trump peace plan ending 2 years of war in Gaza, returning hostages

Hamas agrees to President Donald Trump's Gaza peace plan that calls for release of all 48 hostages and complete Israeli withdrawal in exchange for Hamas disarmament.

www.foxnews.com

Hamas welcomes parts of US proposal for ending Gaza war, says it’s prepared to free all hostages, but seeks follow-up talks​

MSN

Netanyahu hopes to announce release of all hostages from Gaza "in the coming days" after Hamas agreed to parts of Trump peace plan​

Netanyahu hopes to announce release of all hostages from Gaza "in the coming days" after Hamas agreed to parts of Trump peace plan

The plan called for Hamas to return all Israeli hostages and for the Israeli military to begin withdrawing from parts of the Gaza Strip in phases.

www.cbsnews.com

Hamas agreed to lots of things the question will be if they honor that agreement, and if Israel honors it’s agreement.

It looks great on paper, and I hope it works. We will see.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The example is proper. You are just too stupid to understand it.

Just because a law is broken and you can deport DOES NOT mean that choosing an extreme location that poses great threat is not 'cruel and unusual punishment'.

Do you agree with that Terry or would you say anywhere they choose to drop them off in the world is fair game?

You saying it breaks international law, is a genocide, is whatever IS meaningless unless you can actually cite the law, and give examples. Your opinion, probably based on watching MSNBC, is meaningless.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hamas agreed to lots of things the question will be if they honor that agreement, and if Israel honors it’s agreement.

It looks great on paper, and I hope it works. We will see.

My bet is Hamas will simply use it to regroup and start the same shit with Israel the minute they have.

 

[QP!]

You saying it breaks international law, is a genocide, is whatever IS meaningless unless you can actually cite the law, and give examples. Your opinion, probably based on watching MSNBC, is meaningless.

The problem you have is you know i am right which is why you keep lying about what i said such as saying i am saying this is genocide. I did not say or suggest any such thing.

The Constitution is explicit that punishment cannot be cruel and unusual but they do not provide what equals cruel and unusual because that list would be endless and you could never cover everything.

What that DOES NOT MEAN, is that nothing is cruel and unusual until it goes to court to is proven as such.

It Trump and co instead dumped all the migrants in the middle of the ocean to be eaten by sharks, whether they could swim or not, any sane person, who is not a magat could see and would RIGHTLY call that cruel and unusual', even before it got to a court and they would be right. A court would validate it AFTER but that does not mean it was not cruel and unusual before that ruling.

 

[Nordberg]

Netanyahoo says he reserves the right to attack anyone he thinks is threatening. He also says there is no Palestinian state. Now he has to negotiate to kill his corruption charges, which he was protected from while there was a war and he was the leader.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The problem you have is you know i am right which is why you keep lying about what i said such as saying i am saying this is genocide. I did not say or suggest any such thing.

Wrong! The problem is you are talking out your ass and have nothing to back up your claims.

The Constitution is explicit that punishment cannot be cruel and unusual but they do not provide what equals cruel and unusual because that list would be endless and you could never cover everything.

The Constitution doesn't apply to other countries nor to international law. Are you retarded?

What that DOES NOT MEAN, is that nothing is cruel and unusual until it goes to court to is proven as such.

No, there are clearly things considered cruel and unusual on their face whether the courts weigh in or not.

It Trump and co instead dumped all the migrants in the middle of the ocean to be eaten by sharks, whether they could swim or not, any sane person, who is not a magat could see and would RIGHTLY call that cruel and unusual', even before it got to a court and they would be right. A court would validate it AFTER but that does not mean it was not cruel and unusual before that ruling.

Way to change the subject! This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

 

[QP!]

Wrong! The problem is you are talking out your ass and have nothing to back up your claims.


The Constitution doesn't apply to other countries nor to international law. Are you retarded?


No, there are clearly things considered cruel and unusual on their face whether the courts weigh in or not.


Way to change the subject! This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

The problem is you are stupid.

once again, due to your stupidity you say i said something i did not.

I never said the Constitution applied to other countries. I was pointing out the two ways this act is breaking laws. Via the US Constitution it is not legal to submit people, even those who are not American to cruel and unusual punishment. FULL STOP.

Also SEPERATELY their is International Law that speaks to the same thing.

So you are retarded. Oh and stupid.

and in your stupidity you cannot see how the example is not a subject change and is a way to point out 'America cannot just do anything to people who cross the border illegally and YES some actions can go to far'.

I offered that example because you keep repeating 'but they crossed the border illegally' as if that then allows the US to do anything with the people including dropping them into a war zone, across the ocean when they have no ID, no money and no way to get back to their homes.

If you agree Trump and Co cannot drop them in the Ocean then you agree with me the punishment does have limits. You are just too stupid to see you agreed with me.