Hamas agrees to most of TRUMP peace plan

BUSH WAS IN OFFICE WHEN THE USSR FINALLY COLLAPSED but Reagan started the process.

Reagan accelerated the collapse of the Soviet Union.

AI Overview


Ronald Reagan helped end the Cold War through a multi-faceted approach of military, economic, and diplomatic pressure on the Soviet Union
. His strategy, often summarized as "peace through strength," aimed to exploit the Soviet system's weaknesses and negotiate with a position of overwhelming leverage.

Reagan and the Vatican supported the Solidarity movement which aided Poland to pull out of the USSR. That started a domino effect of USSR losing its satellite states and damaged the USSR economy.

"With access to thousands of pages of Soviet records, oral histories and memoirs, we now know that the confrontational approach that defined Reagan’s first few years in office had very little, if any, impact on Soviet strategic decisionmaking. In fact, the antagonism of Reagan’s early presidency likely prolonged the Cold War by elevating hardline, anti-American voices over those of moderate reformers like Gorbachev."
 
Why allow the cycle to continue? Why allow more innocent Israelis to die at the hands of hate-filled war-criminal Terrorists?

IMHO, in the Oct7 attack, all Arabs (Palestinians) forever disqualified themselves from living in Gaza ever again. They can leave or die.

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These feral animals have never honored a treaty in their entire existence. They will just smuggle a few thousand mor erockets in, surround themselves with children, and start all over again. Their fan clubs will continue to support them and get off on the dead children.
 
These feral animals have never honored a treaty in their entire existence. They will just smuggle a few thousand mor erockets in, surround themselves with children, and start all over again. Their fan clubs will continue to support them and get off on the dead children.

Hamas trains children as young as 4 years old to kill:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_qOZCxvmNg





No American should be supporting HAMAS.

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Show me photos of Republicans carrying Signs that read "Smash the Black Man March"!

Show me the Photos of Republicans carrying signs that read "All my Heroes Kill Illegals"!

Show me the Photos of Republicans Calling Execution of "Climate Change Believers"!
Wait... So you're offended by people expressing a desire to wipe out Skinheads, neo-Nazis & white supremacy?

Poor little you.
Show me the MainStream Right who is egging on Civil-war!

You Can't!
Just imagine all the pictures of the J6 Capitol riots and far right neo-Nazis and skinheads that I could easily post if I felt like putting in the time and effort.

We've all seen them.
I didn't leave the Democrats, they left America and its values. They are now nothing but pawns of the Radical Globalist Ethnocentric Marxists.
And you think trump represents America and its values?

What a rube. :palm:

trump and his cultists are con artists and grifters only out for themselves.
So many good, honest, peaceful, law-abiding, Democrats have left the party, that the Democrats can no longer win any election without massive vote fraud.
Total propaganda bullshit not even worth responding to.
The Left destroyed itself.
Keep on counting your chickens before they're hatched.

The only way the right will destroy the left is by destroying the Constitution and democracy first, then engaging in massive illegal, criminal and treasonous acts.

Which it looks like is your main objective anyway.
 
The Soviets went bankrupt in 1973, as a direct result of LBJ's Viet Nam and Israel support policies, and Nixon carried on those agendas. We were having to sell them wheat and refined petroleum products to keep them from a sudden collapse, which would have been catastrophic for Europe. Reagan had nothing to do with it, he was just taking naps in the White House and running his drug import operations and selling guns to the Iranian terrorists When Gorbachev finally beat the hardliners.

Support for the Polish dissidents started long before Reagan, via the CIA and its support for Polish smugglers flooding Poland with banned books and uncensored news. This is a pretty good book; your local library should have it, or have them order a copy.


Years later, in 1976, when Bogucka joined the emerging Polish opposition movement, she decided to create a library of books that had bypassed the state censor, and donated her own small collection, including this Nineteen Eighty-Four. The SB security service, Poland’s KGB, kept continual watch on her, eavesdropping on her conversations, arresting her and searching her apartment, so she asked neighbours to store the forbidden books. Much of the time, though, they would be circulating among readers, since this would be a “Flying Library”, which rarely touched the ground.

Bogucka’s system of covert lending ran through a network of coordinators, each of whom was responsible for their own tight group of readers. She sorted the books into categories – politics, economics, history, literature – and divided them into packages of 10, before allocating each coordinator a particular day to pick up their parcel, which they carried away in a rucksack. The coordinator would drop the books back the following month at a different address, before picking up a new set.


... and more.


From today’s vantage point, when disinformation threatens western liberal democracy as never before, and censorship and book bans are once again turning schools and libraries into ideological battlegrounds, the CIA literary programmes appear almost quaint. Although they had political goals, they must rank among the most highbrow of psychological warfare operations. Along with copies of the Manchester Guardian Weekly and the New York Review of Books, the CIA sent works by blacklisted authors such as Boris Pasternak, Czesław Miłosz and Joseph Brodsky, anti-totalitarian writings by Hannah Arendt and Albert Camus, literary fiction from Philip Roth and Kurt Vonnegut, writing advice from Virginia Woolf, the plays of Václav Havel and Bertolt Brecht, and the spy thrillers of John le Carré.

Later, as well as smuggling books, the CIA would fund and ship presses and printing equipment into Poland, so that the banned titles could be reproduced in huge quantities by underground printers in situ. Few individuals were more central to these latter operations than the dissident publisher Mirosław Chojecki, known to the CIA by the cryptonym QRGUIDE.

On a Tuesday evening in March 1980, the police came to arrest Chojecki for the 43rd time. Chojecki was 30 years old that night – a tall man, with a mane of red-brown hair. He lived with his family in a third-floor apartment in Żoliborz, a suburb of northern Warsaw, and was cooking dinner for his young son and talking to his father-in-law when they heard the door. There were three men outside, a local cop in the jackboots and grey tunic of the citizen’s militia, and two plainclothes SB agents. They flashed their badges and told him to get his coat. There was no explanation. He had just enough time to calm his crying son, grab a toothbrush and a pack of cigarettes, then they clapped handcuffs on his wrists and took him down to the police Fiat waiting on the road below.


It was mostly Poles doing the hard stuff.

Hawkeye and goat will be along soon to inform us of how evul Amurka is and this was all fake and how The Soviets loved freedom and free speech n stuff.
 
Here is the full 20 point Trump Peace Plan:



1. Gaza will be a deradicalised terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.

2. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.

3. If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

4. Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

5. Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after 7 October 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

6. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

7. Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the 19 January 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.

8. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under 19 January 2025 agreement.

9. Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the "Board of Peace," which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump's peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

10. A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

11. A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.

12. No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.

13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbours.

14. A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbours or its people.

15. The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilisation Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.

16. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the United States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

17. In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

18. An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.

19. While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

20. The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.
 
Totally ignorant post that represents the ideas of someone who doesn't even try to see both sides because it's obvious that he's made up his mind that he despises one and makes excuses for the other.

It is you that is ignorant, either by nature or deliberately. Israel since 1948 has grown into a Western nation with a successful economy and good living standards for its people. It is reasonably inclusive and has Arab and Muslim members in its parliament and government. Internal warfare doesn't exist and terrorism is actively stopped.

Palestine has a failed economy and is heavily dependent on foreign aid just to feed its people. There are numerous warring factions within the Palestinian territories like:

Hamas
Islamic Jihad
Popular Resistance Committee (Al-Nasser brigades)
Al-Aqsa Martyrs (part of Fatah movement)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
PLO
Palestinian Authority

These fight each other almost as much as they fight Israel. They each have their areas of power, like street gangs.

Corruption is omnipresent in the Palestinian territories. The major terrorist / political groups use foreign aid and terrorism to shake down and maintain control over those living within their areas of control.

Israel is simply a shared, common, enemy for all of them.

The entire left is not like that. We are not overrun by our loonies.

Yes, you are. The Left is rife with lunatics and nutters.
There used to be a radical, insane right too

There still is, but it can be ignored like it always has been.
Now they're just the mainstream right.

No, the Left has gotten more extreme, the Right hasn't changed much.
Still radical and insane, but now they represent the vast majority of the Republican Party.

That's the view from the radical Left. The Republicans aren't particularly more extreme than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
 
I do not agree with about a 1/3 of the Trump Peace plan, and I don't believe it will work, because HAMAS will never live up to their side of the plan.

I don't Fault Trump for attempting to gain peace.

When HAMAS violates this treaty, kill everyone still in Gaza.

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Palestine has a failed economy and is heavily dependent on foreign aid just to feed its people. There are numerous warring factions within the Palestinian territories like:

Hamas
Islamic Jihad
Popular Resistance Committee (Al-Nasser brigades)
Al-Aqsa Martyrs (part of Fatah movement)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
PLO
Palestinian Authority

These fight each other almost as much as they fight Israel. They each have their areas of power, like street gangs.

Yes. Hamas got 70% of the votes in their UN sponsored elections back when, and most of the other 30% voted for scum even worse than Hamas.
 
It is you that is ignorant, either by nature or deliberately. Israel since 1948 has grown into a Western nation with a successful economy and good living standards for its people. It is reasonably inclusive and has Arab and Muslim members in its parliament and government. Internal warfare doesn't exist and terrorism is actively stopped.
Like the 1982 massacre in Lebanon of 3,500 Palestinians while the Israeli military sat by and looked the other way?


Like the needless genocide that's going on right now in Gaza?

Fuck you and your Kool Aid.
Palestine has a failed economy and is heavily dependent on foreign aid just to feed its people. There are numerous warring factions within the Palestinian territories like:

Hamas
Islamic Jihad
Popular Resistance Committee (Al-Nasser brigades)
Al-Aqsa Martyrs (part of Fatah movement)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
PLO
Palestinian Authority

These fight each other almost as much as they fight Israel. They each have their areas of power, like street gangs.
All of that as the result of the poverty they've been forced into.
Corruption is omnipresent in the Palestinian territories. The major terrorist / political groups use foreign aid and terrorism to shake down and maintain control over those living within their areas of control.

Israel is simply a shared, common, enemy for all of them.
And no corruption at all exists in the Israeli government?

What a rube. :palm:
Yes, you are. The Left is rife with lunatics and nutters.
:blah:
There still is, but it can be ignored like it always has been.
So you're saying that YOU and your ilk are being ignored?

Then why are the MAGA lunatics in power, going around the country arresting everybody who won't pledge loyalty to them?
No, the Left has gotten more extreme, the Right hasn't changed much.
You lie like shit.
That's the view from the radical Left. The Republicans aren't particularly more extreme than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
More bullshit out of the bullshit fountain.
 
Like the 1982 massacre in Lebanon of 3,500 Palestinians while the Israeli military sat by and looked the other way?

More Arab infighting. Lebanon is the same way the Palestinian territories are, divided up by political and religious factions.
Like the needless genocide that's going on right now in Gaza?

You don't know want a genocide is, and what's happening in Gaza is NOT a genocide.
Fuck you and your Kool Aid.

All of that as the result of the poverty they've been forced into.

No, it isn't. The Palestinians tried to overthrow the government of Jordan with Saddam Hussen's help.




The Palestinians have made their situation what it is. Nobody else did it to them.
And no corruption at all exists in the Israeli government?

It pales compared to what the Palestinian government factions do.
 
More Arab infighting. Lebanon is the same way the Palestinian territories are, divided up by political and religious factions.


You don't know want a genocide is, and what's happening in Gaza is NOT a genocide.


No, it isn't. The Palestinians tried to overthrow the government of Jordan with Saddam Hussen's help.




The Palestinians have made their situation what it is. Nobody else did it to them.


It pales compared to what the Palestinian government factions do.
The Arabs are all tribal
 
These feral animals have never honored a treaty in their entire existence. They will just smuggle a few thousand mor erockets in, surround themselves with children, and start all over again. Their fan clubs will continue to support them and get off on the dead children.
You may be correct but the Arab nations seem to be reducing their support for continuing to support war and Hamas may lose the financial support they have. It seems like a better idea to develop the Gaza strip. It is a great piece of land and could be developed into a great financial success if they would stop making war.
Several years ago my wife was the court reporter on the Holy Land Foundation trial. It was the first Palestinian terrorist trial in the US. In the trial they had video of elementary school kids in a school play dressed as suicide bombers and kids with rubber knives sitting the throats of "jews". The parents in the video were cheering and clapping singing. These people hate Israel so much I have seen video of them digging up water pipe to make Qassam rockets to shoot into Israel. I don't know how you ever overcome that kind of hate.
 
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