HA! Obamacare subsidies are back

Huey said:
And after it passes the house and the senate, who has to sign it?

And, of course, this just shows what many of us have said about the pubs for years. They are showboating on the Obama repeal issue. Never intended to do it.
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He'll probably sign it.

The reality was a Federal Judge ruled the funding unconstitutional. The only way to make it constitutional is if the Congress voted for it. Now that they have, this populist Prez will likely sign that bill. If it passes both the House and the Senate.
 
evince said:
the American people dont agree with you


how is it illegal?


tell us what you know about the cumberland road and the post office?


the founders didnt agree with you either grindy



MOVE

no ones forcing you to stay in the USA


immigrate elsewhere
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no one said it was illegal. I am arguing morality. You take property from others under THREAT OF VIOLENCE. You force people to work UNDER THREAT OF VIOLENCE. that is sociopathic. Just because it's legal doesn't make it moral. Slavery was legal. Slavery was immoral. Taxation is legal, taxation is immoral.
 
The Zax said:
no one said it was illegal. I am arguing morality. You take property from others under THREAT OF VIOLENCE. You force people to work UNDER THREAT OF VIOLENCE. that is sociopathic. Just because it's legal doesn't make it moral. Slavery was legal. Slavery was immoral. Taxation is legal, taxation is immoral.
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I agree with everything but the last statement. Taxation in and of itself is not immoral. Not even the founders believed that. Taxing income directly like we do is immoral.

But you are correct that Deshtard hides her tyranny behind the cloak of democracy. It is why the founders avoided setting this country up as a true democracy. They knew their history and that democracy is nothing more than the tyranny of the majority.
 
Jarod said:
Yes, and I know the Desperate Cheeto tried to kill healthcare in the Untied States by ending them. I know he is so weak, his own party is reversing his executive order before it takes affect. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Do you comprehend just why the politicians are saying "NA" to an executive order that would rescind subsides for Obama Care? ALL OF THE SUP[POSED DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMEN/LADIES USE TAX PAYER SUBSIDIES TO PAY FOR THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE....AS THEY GAMED THE SYSTEM AND REFUSED TO PAY THE PREMIUMS MANDATED FOR "ALL" AMERICAN CITIZENS through the subsidized exchanges. They FEAR TRUMP will end the scam that illegally sucks on the taxpayer tit. They are still claiming this special status and claim to be special and ABOVE THE LAWS THEY WRITE.

They did not want to vote on their "special exemption" status and be open to being criticized or fired in the next election...so they ILLEGALLY claimed themselves to be employees in order have the tax payers pay for their premiums even though both houses of congress and their staffs do not met the LEGAL definition of being a qualified employee due to the numbers required to have an employer responsible for paying 70% of their health care coverage.

If the subsidies are removed....there will be no funds to pay for their coverage that was illegally obtained (as they refused to vote themselves exempt.....it would make it clear they claim elite status in not having to purchase their own insurance under the rules for private insurance) so they had Obama declare them eligible for coverage under the SHOP EXCHANGE STATUS under the ACA, again in an illegal manner claiming they were considered SHOP EMPLOYEES or a Small Business working/contracting for THE PEOPLE/TAX PAYERS.

FYI: The reason they refused the EO? They have attempted to exempt themselves for healthcare coverage and retain the same status that OBAMA bribed them with....

Thus there is "propaganda" as you presented, then there are facts of the congressional record. www.obamacarefacts.com/congress-obamacare/

Is it illegal for our congress critters to claim they are a SMALL BUSINESS and exempt to paying like the average individually mandated to pay for play? Indeed its illegal as hell.

www.cato.org/publications/commentary/congress-illegal-egregious-obamacare-exemption-explained



LOGICAL CONCLUSION? It appears that Mr. Rand Paul is correct again....the entire plan should be shitcanned and the healthcare system given back to the private sector where it belongs with Big Brother being banned from making corporate monopolies in order to get corporate LOBBY kickbacks. The reason that our healthcare system is broken and out of control? Washington allows the lobbyists to write the laws that relate to their industry regulation....just as Fancy Nancy explained in her own ding bat way, "First you must pass the act, then we can learn what's in it......." Can anyone explain just who drafted the AHC regulations? Anyone? Name the Congressmen/women who actually drafted the language themselves as they are mandated by the Constitution to be the only body that can draft acts to be considered for law? Anyone? We now know, as its public knowledge that a convicted felon drafted the majority of the boondoggle know as Obama Care.....a former convict by the name of Robert Creamer.
 
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ZappasGuitar said:
I find it absolutely astounding how selfish some people can be with regards to health care.

That someone can be so greedy they can't be find room in their heart to contribute a few pennies to help those on the lowest rungs of the economic ladder afford healthcare is just disgraceful.
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gosh, $7B is just a few pennies......and that doesn't even consider the increased premiums we had to pay.....Obamacare cost me personally over $600 a month in premiums, not counting my share of the taxes to cover the cost of subsidizing premiums of people earning up to 4 times the "poverty level" PLUS subsidies to insurance companies........fuck your "few pennies".......
 
archives said:
I see someone is still caught up in the myth of the "welfare Cadillac queen," some are just so worried about what others maybe getting rather than what they themselves already have

But to add a little reality to the topic, when the coverage disappears, who do you think bombards the ERs and not only raises medical costs for everyone but also eventually insurance rates, and the shame is that it is often over what would have been a preventable illness with regular care
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I don't care what others are getting as long as they are paying for it. When they start demanding someone else do for them what they've shown they aren't willing to do for themselves, it's a problem. I prefer to solve it. You prefer to enable them to be worthless pieces of shit.

There's a simple way to solve what you say will happen. Don't treat them or send YOU the bill. That's a reality you bleeding hearts aren't willing to take on despite claiming you care so much for others.
 
Jarod said:
I do not believe your premise, I do not think anyone should go without healthcare. I have worked with a lot of clients who get injured, then cant work and get fired... then they lose their healthcare and what do you expect them to do?
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You're more than welcome to be wrong as long as you pay their bills and stop expecting the rest of us to provide to them what they refuse to provide to themselves.

If you don't think anyone should go without anything, reach into your own pocket and provide it to them. Until you and the rest of the bleeding hearts do that, your word that you care are meaningless drivel. I don't believe you really care. The only thing you've proven is you're willing to SAY you care.
 
archives said:
If you mean Trumpcare, he's agreeing to the bipartisan proposal being worked on now where the subsides are returned, you know, the same subsides that last week he told was free money for the Insurance Companies

And if you are referring to health care as "stealing their (your) shit," keep in mind without health care the same people you are so worried about would flood the ERs raising the overall cost of health care in America which everyone else would have to pay to cover, it is cheaper with health insurance, those preventable illness can keep people out of the hospital
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first of all, the issue at hand was the fact the president didn't have the authority to order the subsidies......the courts had already told Obama that but he ignored them......Trump dumped it in Congress' lap where it belonged......if they do come to an agreement it will be 1) what they were supposed to do, 2) what Trump told them to do and 3) the first thing they've agreed on since November.......and they still need to come up with something Trump will sign.....
 
Anyone trying to defend Obamacare is basically ignorant on the facts.
It became your partisan weapon when all your other ones ran out of bullets.

The best thing that could happen to Obamacare is for someone to kill it quickly, before it crashes and burns the slow death it was designed to.
 
Jarod said:
IN a HUGE slap in the face, Republicans in Congress made a deal with Democrats to refinance the subsidies the Desperate Cheetos took away last week.


Executive order IN YOUR FASE!

How does Rump like McConnell now?


BAM!!!!!
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From what I read Trump is on board with the temporary subsidies.

It also remedied more Obama era lawlessness by making the subsidies constitutional so you should be cheering that lol.
 
Getin the ring said:
uh, buy healthcare on the exchange and get a deductible so high that they really don't have health insurance?
And you and I keep chipping in to subsidize this charade?

Are you a real person or some dopey programmed android void of thought?
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Why not? Everyone pays for your employer based health insurance.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I find it absolutely astounding how selfish some people can be with regards to health care.

That someone can be so greedy they can't be find room in their heart to contribute a few pennies to help those on the lowest rungs of the economic ladder afford healthcare is just disgraceful.
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Most people think health insurance is free, because the taxpayer subsidizes their employer's premium payments.
 
Teflon Don said:
I agree with everything but the last statement. Taxation in and of itself is not immoral. Not even the founders believed that. Taxing income directly like we do is immoral.

But you are correct that Deshtard hides her tyranny behind the cloak of democracy. It is why the founders avoided setting this country up as a true democracy. They knew their history and that democracy is nothing more than the tyranny of the majority.
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Obama himself, backed by his supporters, said the mandate was not a tax. However, when the Supreme Court upheld the mandate they did so based on it being something Obama himself said it wasn't, a tax. Where were all of them saying the Court was wrong to do so?

While I agree taxation in and of itself isn't immoral, based on Article I, Section 8, Clause 1, taxing to fund things for which the federal government does not have delegated authority to do is unconstitutional. What's immoral when it comes to things like the Obamacare subsidies is to tax one group of people in order to give to another group unwilling to do for themselves something they refuse to provide to themselves.
 
tsuke said:
as i understand it it has not passed yet. Either in the house or senate. If anyone has a link showing otherwise please put it up.

I dont mind if it passes as long as the republicans get serious concessions for it. I hope congress realizes how much leverage trump has created for them. First with DACA now with this.
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He hasn't created anything. Subsidies are the law. Insurers must offer them to low income people. The Fed reimbursement to insurers is what trump did away with.

So insurance companies will continue to get screwed by Republicans, who cut all funding for risk corridors, and now cost sharing.

They were promised guarantees, in exchange for accepting people with pre existing conditions, as well as for the mandatory minimum coverages. Like trump, all Republicans cannot be trusted to adhere to agreements.
 
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