GWB lied about WMD, people died!

cawacko said:
Trump didn't call out other Democrats. He called out Bush, in a Republican primary, saying the whole premise for war was a lie.

This is not to suggest Republicans have to agree with every decision other Republicans make but I've not heard one other Republican accuse Bush of that. I know others disagreed with going to war but none say he lied like Trump did.
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Probably because they don't agree he lied....as they didn't believe Bill Clinton and all the other Democrats that claimed Saddam had WMD for over 5 years lied.....
If Bush lied, they all lied....What you seem to deny is that most people believed Saddam had WMD....it was being parroted by the Democrats since 1995 or 1996 well into 2002
....and in 2002 enough Democrats even voted to go to war, no matter that they claim extreme stupidity today......

Do you think those quotes that get posted are their only claims on Saddam and his WMD....they were all over the newspapers and other media too....
 
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NOVA said:
Probably because they don't agree he lied....as they didn't believe Bill Clinton and all the other Democrats that claimed Saddam had WMD for over 5 years lied.....
If Bush lied, they all lied....What you seem to deny is that most people believed Saddam had WMD....it was being parroted by the Democrats since 1995 or 1996 well into 2002
....and in 2002 enough Democrats even voted to go to war, no matter that they claim extreme stupidity today......

Do you think those quotes that get posted are their only claims on Saddam and his WMD....they were all over the newspapers and other media too....
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I guess I'm more interested in why Trump went there. Why at a Republican debate would a supposed Republican make that claim?
 
NOVA said:
Bush certainly was the one to decide...and all those voting for the war resolution knew it....the point is some won't take responsibility for their vote....

Thats just plain wrong....it was common knowledge he wanted to oust Saddam....and its just as accurate to state, it would not have happened if Congress didn't approve...so let state history correctly.....it takes two to tango.....Bush never tried to deny his responsibility, only hypocrites do that....and we know who they are.

Trump did say that, as so many Democrats say that....there is no denying that if Bush lied, so did all the others, over a period of 5 or 6 years, before Bush every came along...

Liars lie, deniers deny, history don't lie.....and can't be re-written to suit your personal bias

Its totally ludicrous to hear two people say exactly the same things and insist only one of is lying.....delusional....

A delusion is a false belief that is based on an incorrect interpretation of reality. A person with delusional disorder will firmly hold on to a false belief despite clear evidence to the contrary.
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Why can't you just admit that war was wrong from the start? Nothing good came out of it.
 
Legion Troll said:
You think pointing out Trump's attack on Bush means she loves him?
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It means she's plays pick and choose with what Trump says. If she agrees, she'll use the statement. If she doesn't, she ignores it. Much like you.

I think you covering for her means you might be getting some from her.
 
christiefan915 said:
Why can't you just admit that war was wrong from the start? Nothing good came out of it.
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Why can't you admit, since you say what Bush claimed was lies, that your own side lied because they claimed exactly what Bush did BEFORE he was President? That's why nothing good can be considered of you. You claim it's a lie when someone you don't like says it but totally ignore the same statements when made by those you do like. And you wonder why people consider you a bitch.
 
NOVA said:
Funny girl.....so you must believe everything Trumps says is the truth ?.....Suck it up honey, you can't have it both ways.......
Trump also said....

"It's the fault of Obama—there is no question. It's the fault of Bush for going in. It's the fault of Obama for getting out. It's a disaster—the war should have never happened. And then once it did happen, you should have at least left the troops in. So it's really a double fault."

so you must also agree, right ?
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I don't believe he should have left the troops in.

Are you trying to say there's not one single comment Hillary or Bernie made that you agree with?
 
christiefan915 said:
Why can't you just admit that war was wrong from the start? Nothing good came out of it.
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Because, like the Democrats that voted with Bush's war proposal, I believed the WMD were there....I heard Clinton talk about it for so many years and now Bush was going to
do something about it....so I didn't think the war was wrong.....not many did, until we couldn't prove Saddam had anything.....Saddam played all of us for suckers....
He had everyone whining about his WMD and the sob had nothing....
If the weapons would have been there, Bush would be a hero, and the Clinton admin. would have been proven right in warning the world about him....

The war was not wrong until it was proven to be wrong....after the invasion took place.....
I was taught to never cry over spilled milk.....you can't turn the clock back.....
 
NOVA said:
Because, like the Democrats that voted with Bush's war proposal, I believed the WMD were there....I heard Clinton talk about it for so many years and now Bush was going to
do something about it....so I didn't think the war was wrong.....not many did, until we couldn't prove Saddam had anything.....Saddam played all of us for suckers....
He had everyone whining about his WMD and the sob had nothing....
If the weapons would have been there, Bush would be a hero, and the Clinton admin. would have been proven right in warning the world about him....

The war was not wrong until it was proven to be wrong....after the invasion took place.....
I was taught to never cry over spilled milk.....you can't turn the clock back.....
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That's the problem I have with people like christiefan915. Bush says something and they call it a lie. Democrats said the same thing before Bush was President and they ignore that part.
 
NOVA said:
You don't normally mis-state the facts or mis-characterize others posts, or resort to strawmen, why start now.....

The Iraq was a mistake, the GOP candidates don't deny that.....now we know that, then we didn't....some of the left were on one side, some on the other.....

Bush didn't go over the heads of the Congress to invade Iraq....they voted....

the only issue is lies and re-writing history to suit your personal bias or to make political points......like I pointed out,

Its totally ludicrous to hear two people say exactly the same things and insist only one of is lying.....its delusional, Jarods problem....

This horse is dead....
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I remember 2003 way too vividly. I knew the instant that someone said "Iraq" that it was the wrong thing to do. And I'm speaking as someone who was 100% behind Bush when he stood at ground zero, with that fireman next to him. I wasn't ideological at that time - I was ready to support the President after the worst attack on America in my lifetime.

But I knew Iraq was wrong, as did EVERYONE on the left. Yes, some Democrats voted for it - but I don't see them as being the left. Just expedient politicians. And forgive me for not letting it go, but me and my "ilk" were not just ridiculed during that time, or told we were on the "wrong side of history." We were told we were traitors. Some (see: Dixie Chicks) had their lives threatened. And these are the people who were right all along, mind you.

This can never happen again in America. As long as I breathe, I plan to remind everyone of exactly what happened, and what the history was, and who is accountable.
 
christiefan915 said:
I guess you're forgetting that bush was the decider and those people didn't make him do anything he didn't want himself.
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You call what Bush SAID was a lie. These Democrats SAID the same thing and you give them a pass. Are you saying what Bush did was wrong or what Bush said was a lie? That's two different things.
 
CFM said:
You call what Bush SAID was a lie. These Democrats SAID the same thing and you give them a pass. Are you saying what Bush did was wrong or what Bush said was a lie? That's two different things.
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Call it what you want. Bush cherrypicked the info that would justify the case for war, and ignored the rest. I wouldn't call that "honest." Colin Powell's top aide was given what he said was a "chinese menu" of intel, and told to take what he could that would make the case to the U.N. Bush was given a PDB discrediting the testimony of "Curveball," a key operative who supposedly verfied mobile bio-weapons labs...but he still kept that intel in his state of the union speech that week. British intelligence said that the intel was being fixed around the policy.

We didn't have a President who bent over backwards trying to find reasons not to go to war. We had a guy who made the decision to invade, and just wanted what would give him a good public case for committing troops. Sacrificing lives.

To me, that's despicable. He's a criminal in my eyes, and always will be.
 
NOVA said:
Only if you want to admit that all these people lied.......

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
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Do you really think the JPP lying liberals are going to read and/or comprehend this; because it goes completely against what the DNC has been feeding them.

They run from it, like the mythical vampire runs from sunlight.
 
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