Guns make for a more civilized society

[Phantasmal]

it depends on the state you live in and what kind of carrying you want to do.......open or concealed. you're in TX now, right?

Correct

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Most gun owners *are* law-abiding ppl. The problem is most of them do not use trigger guards, nor keep their guns in a gun safe, or otherwise secured.

If you want everyone to have a gun, then why not some sensible requirements, like we do with cars?
1. All guns must be purchased from a licensed dealer.
2. Background checks, no exceptions, no excuses.
3. Mandatory trigger guards.
4. Mandatory gun safe.
5. Liability insurance in case one of your guys is lost, stolen, or used in a suicide or a crime or an accident resulting in injury/death.
6. Mandatory gun handling and safety training at owner's expense, renewable every other year.
7. Database with all guns and owners that only law enforcement can access.

I'm sure you can think of others.

I've got to head off to class in a few minutes; looking forward to continuing this civil discussion. Hopefully the crazies won't show up and ruin it.

apply all of those requirements to government first, see how it works. after 10 years, if there's success, maybe we can talk.

 

[TrippyHippy]

Most gun owners *are* law-abiding ppl. The problem is most of them do not use trigger guards, nor keep their guns in a gun safe, or otherwise secured.

If you want everyone to have a gun, then why not some sensible requirements, like we do with cars?
1. All guns must be purchased from a licensed dealer.
2. Background checks, no exceptions, no excuses. So long as nonviolent offenses (even felonies) or acts (like getting a medical marijuana card for example), do not prevent one from purchasing a gun
3. Mandatory trigger guards.
4. Mandatory gun safe.
5. Liability insurance in case one of your guys is lost, stolen, or used in a suicide or a crime or an accident resulting in injury/death.
6. Mandatory gun handling and safety training at owner's expense, renewable every other year.
7. Database with all guns and owners that only law enforcement can access.

I'm sure you can think of others.

I've got to head off to class in a few minutes; looking forward to continuing this civil discussion. Hopefully the crazies won't show up and ruin it.

I actually agree with all of that, except what I wrote in red. I do believe in common-sense gun regulation...I guess I should have prefaced my OP with that. I just don't support ridiculous regulations, outright gun bans/confiscation, and such.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Correct

to carry a handgun at all, in TX, you have to take a class from a certified NRA instructor. the class is usually 8 hours where it discusses some of the laws about carrying, how, where, and dealing with law enforcement. There is a range requirement where you have to score above a certain target. Then you get fingerprinted and background checked by the state. If you pass those requirements, then you can be issued a license to carry which covers open or concealed.

 

[countryboy]

Most gun owners *are* law-abiding ppl. The problem is most of them do not use trigger guards, nor keep their guns in a gun safe, or otherwise secured.

If you want everyone to have a gun, then why not some sensible requirements, like we do with cars?
1. All guns must be purchased from a licensed dealer.
2. Background checks, no exceptions, no excuses.
3. Mandatory trigger guards.
4. Mandatory gun safe.
5. Liability insurance in case one of your guys is lost, stolen, or used in a suicide or a crime or an accident resulting in injury/death.
6. Mandatory gun handling and safety training at owner's expense, renewable every other year.
7. Database with all guns and owners that only law enforcement can access.

I'm sure you can think of others.

I've got to head off to class in a few minutes; looking forward to continuing this civil discussion. Hopefully the crazies won't show up and ruin it.

What good is a gun for self defense if it has a trigger guard on it?

 

[Phantasmal]

to carry a handgun at all, in TX, you have to take a class from a certified NRA instructor. the class is usually 8 hours where it discusses some of the laws about carrying, how, where, and dealing with law enforcement. There is a range requirement where you have to score above a certain target. Then you get fingerprinted and background checked by the state. If you pass those requirements, then you can be issued a license to carry which covers open or concealed.

Thanks, appreciated.

 

[domer76]

considering the FACT that your only inclination of what the 2nd truly means is pure delusional fantasy, your opinion means jack fucking shit, cop sucker

The FACT is, dumbfuck, that you DON’T have the right to pack anything, any time, anywhere.

That you THINK you do merely illustrates your ignorance of the 2nd.

That you THINK you do, but are too much the coward to prove it, illustrates your pussification.

Ignorant AND a pussy. Bad combo, Rambutt.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Most gun owners *are* law-abiding ppl. The problem is most of them do not use trigger guards, nor keep their guns in a gun safe, or otherwise secured.

If you want everyone to have a gun, then why not some sensible requirements, like we do with cars?
1. All guns must be purchased from a licensed dealer.
2. Background checks, no exceptions, no excuses.
3. Mandatory trigger guards.
4. Mandatory gun safe.
5. Liability insurance in case one of your guys is lost, stolen, or used in a suicide or a crime or an accident resulting in injury/death.
6. Mandatory gun handling and safety training at owner's expense, renewable every other year.
7. Database with all guns and owners that only law enforcement can access.

this is pretty much the equivalent of 'you can own a gun, you just can't use it'.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The FACT is, dumbfuck, that you DON’T have the right to pack anything, any time, anywhere.

That you THINK you do merely illustrates your ignorance of the 2nd.

That you THINK you do, but are too much the coward to prove it, illustrates your pussification.

Ignorant AND a pussy. Bad combo, Rambutt.

fuck off, freedom hating cop sucking statist. you're a moron of the highest caliber, even above evince and CFM

 

[domer76]

fuck off, freedom hating cop sucking statist. you're a moron of the highest caliber, even above evince and CFM

Sad, ignorant vagina.

 

[countryboy]

I have a baseball bat for home self-defense. Does that make me a bad person?
You would be surprised how effective a good, solid piece of wood is for self defense.

Getting into a gun battle in a dark house seems like a pretty good way to risk shooting someone innocent, a family member, a pet, putting a hole through the wall and hitting the neighbors house, etc.

I don't keep a gun in my house for self-defense, for the same reason I don't take a parachute with me when in a high rise office building, in case the fire exits get blocked. Statistically the cost-risk-benefit just does not cut if for me.

You'd be surprised how ineffective a force multiplier like a bat is against a distance tool like a gun.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Sad, ignorant vagina.

yes, you are sad, ignorant, and a vagina. you're also a moronic dumbfuck who refuses to acknowledge reality, preferring instead to mire yourself in a utopian delusion of idiocy that only makes sense to you.

 

[domer76]

if you don't know the laws, then don't try to tell others what they are. thanks.

^Irony alert!

 

[chink]

The truth went over your head, I see.

The author of your OPINION piece is a moron. Nothing more than a fearful punk, exactly the opposite of what he claims. A fucking Rambo wannabe. A caricature.

hey moron see article 5 of the constitution,moron.it will take 38 states to ratify a change ,lots of luck moron.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

^Irony alert!

says the retard who doesn't know the laws or the constitution. no clue about inalienable rights, choosing instead to believe there is no such thing. that the government wrote the constitution instead of we the people. face it, fuckstick, you're a walking billboard for liberal insanity and mental illness.

 

[domer76]

yes, you are sad, ignorant, and a vagina. you're also a moronic dumbfuck who refuses to acknowledge reality, preferring instead to mire yourself in a utopian delusion of idiocy that only makes sense to you.

When are you packing to the courthouse, pussy? Anytime soon?

Still laughing about this:

“vehicles cannot be necessary”

 

[SmarterthanYou]

When are you packing to the courthouse, pussy? Anytime soon?

Still laughing about this:

“vehicles cannot be necessary”

see, this is the bullshit you continue because you don't want to prove yourself an idiot. try continuing the sentence, or do you even fucking dare? eh, cuntlip?

 

[domer76]

says the retard who doesn't know the laws or the constitution. no clue about inalienable rights, choosing instead to believe there is no such thing. that the government wrote the constitution instead of we the people. face it, fuckstick, you're a walking billboard for liberal insanity and mental illness.

Inalieniable rights? Stop it, cretin! Yer killin’ me!

“vehicles cannot be necessary”

 

[domer76]

see, this is the bullshit you continue because you don't want to prove yourself an idiot. try continuing the sentence, or do you even fucking dare? eh, cuntlip?

Load up yer pack mule, Jethro, to get those goods to market!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Yeah, if only ppl would keep their guns safely locked up inside their house where thieves and small children couldn't get them. But they don't.
If only ppl didn't feel a need to buy an arsenal capable of wiping out a herd of elephants, then using it to wipe out a church full of ppl. But they do.
If only ppl didn't feel a need to allow their mentally ill son learn to shoot for his self-esteem, only to die at his hands before he wiped out 26 lives in an elementary school. But she did.

If only....

If only liberals understood that gun free zones don't make one safer, but they don't.
If only liberals understood no amount of legislation will prevent people from obtaining guns, but they don't.
If only liberals understood that most gun owners are not homicidal maniacs waiting to kill, but they don't.
If only....