Gun-toting soccer mom, husband shot

Me either, because I am one of the best armed motherfuckers in the valley of death.

Cool .. but I don't care how "best armed" you may be .. unless you walk around with your gun cocked and in your hand, you are still susceptible to violence .. and I'd suggest that you're still susceptible to it even then.

Again, I'm not decrying what you do .. but in my family we teach our kids to avoid guns, there is nothing noble about them, and the person you're most likely to harm with them are your own loved ones or yourself.
 
Perhaps you live in the make-believe world that a gun is your only defense, I do not .. nor had any family members raped or robbed by criminals .. and nearly ALL of them live in urban environments. No suicides either. Gun aversion is TAUGHT in my family. We teach it to our kids.

Please, have all the guns you want .. but I don't need them to protect myself, wife, and family. I rely on the greatest weapon .. my mind.

I like my world better.

BAC, my brother, isn't your daughter doing a tour in Iraq/Afghanistan right now? Aren't you getting ready for another one soon? will you and her be using your mind over there instead of guns?
 
Ahh cigars. Something else the tolerant left wants to ban out of existence. Cool hats will be next.

Yeah, how DARE they!

I mean, there's nothing like walking into a place and being overpowered by the smell of burning wet dog hair...mmmmmm...MMMMMM!

Can you say "CLASS"?
 
BAC, my brother, isn't your daughter doing a tour in Iraq/Afghanistan right now? Aren't you getting ready for another one soon? will you and her be using your mind over there instead of guns?

NO brother. My daughter isn't out of country right now, but she's scheduled to return to Iraq soon.

Quite frankly, I would have preferred she not join the military many years ago. Now that she has, she must use a gun to protect herself .. which hardly translates to when she is at home. She does not walk around with a gun at home. At home, she uses her mind. No eulogy for her, no sentencing.

That being said, a war zone is in fact a good example of American society. We kill as many Americans who have died in the Iraq War every month.
 
BAC, my brother, isn't your daughter doing a tour in Iraq/Afghanistan right now? Aren't you getting ready for another one soon? will you and her be using your mind over there instead of guns?
I hope she will be using her mind more than her gun!!!!! I hope my nephew in Iraq is using his mind more than his gun! I hope everyone over there is using their minds more than their guns!
 
I hope she will be using her mind more than her gun!!!!! I hope my nephew in Iraq is using his mind more than his gun! I hope everyone over there is using their minds more than their guns!

NO TRUER WORDS HAVE EVER BEEN SPOKEN.

In a war zone everybody has a gun.

The ones who survive best are those who use their minds.
 
Yeah, how DARE they!

I mean, there's nothing like walking into a place and being overpowered by the smell of burning wet dog hair...mmmmmm...MMMMMM!

Can you say "CLASS"?
You know shit about cigars. What you know would not fill a thimble. That said, the owner of the business should be allowed to decided if he or she will allow smoking and you should be allowed to use your power to NOT patronize places that do. Lets let the free market decide. But I already know, you are not in favor of that particular method of determination. Market economics is BAAAAAAD.
 
My good brother .. I've faced crazy people with guns before. No eulogy for me, no sentencing.

I PURPOSEFULLY put myself in situations where I know people around me have guns when I interact with gang members and youth in efforts to control violence in the inner-city. No eulogy for me, no sentencing.

I do not live in fear.

Since you mentioned your family never having any problems with rape, robbery, etc., I will point out that I would have had an aunt named Myra, except that she was murdered on the street in broad daylight in Crescent City, CA back on February 9, 1965 - my mom's 9th birthday. Tragedy can strike, even in such a quaint seeming town.

A gun would probably not have done a 12-year-old girl with a bag of groceries (ice cream for the party) much good, but they can and do help some 200,000 people annually.
 
Since you mentioned your family never having any problems with rape, robbery, etc., I will point out that I would have had an aunt named Myra, except that she was murdered on the street in broad daylight in Crescent City, CA back on February 9, 1965 - my mom's 9th birthday. Tragedy can strike, even in such a quaint seeming town.

A gun would probably not have done a 12-year-old girl with a bag of groceries (ice cream for the party) much good, but they can and do help some 200,000 people annually.

I don't believe guns are any benefit to society whatsoever.

Can a gun help an individual fend off attackers .. absolutely.

Is America a better/safer society by being awash in guns .. absolutely not.

Although no one in my family has been raped or robbed, I did have a cousin who was shot to death .. by his wife. In a moment of heated argument she grabbed a gun and killed Mickey .. my cousin who was closer to me than my brothers.

No gun in the house and Mickey is still alive.

It cuts both ways brother.

No gun in the house and Marvin Gaye is still alive.

No gun in the house and thousands of Americans are still alive.
 
word to the street,
Angry people who never had any intention of shooting family members do it annually by the thousands.
 
I don't believe guns are any benefit to society whatsoever.

Can a gun help an individual fend off attackers .. absolutely.

Is America a better/safer society by being awash in guns .. absolutely not.

Although no one in my family has been raped or robbed, I did have a cousin who was shot to death .. by his wife. In a moment of heated argument she grabbed a gun and killed Mickey .. my cousin who was closer to me than my brothers.

No gun in the house and Mickey is still alive.

It cuts both ways brother.

No gun in the house and Marvin Gaye is still alive.

No gun in the house and thousands of Americans are still alive.

You could make the reverse argument in many instances. While I feel for you and your loss (honestly), people who own guns save at least 10x the number of people killed by guns every year, so denying them their ability to do so could possibly cost even more lives (I know you never advocated taking peoples guns away, but some make jump to that conclusion from your statements).
 
not a single NRA member is man enough to not dodge why france and England are smart enough to have 3x lower murder rates.
 
not a single NRA member is man enough to not dodge why france and England are smart enough to have 3x lower murder rates.

We have been over this before. Roughly 70% of our crime is criminal on criminal. Many of them are criminals in the first place because of the war on drugs. If you end this war, which is the cause of most of the crime in our country, our crime rates will go down. Will they be as low as France and England? I cannot say for certain but probably not. Removing all the guns from this country would also do nothing for those rates, and could in fact RAISE them (the lowest figure presented for DGUs [Defensive Gun Uses] has been 300,000, the highest has been 2.7 million).
 
France and England have illegal drugs, could their drug war be less Nazi like. Probably

Is it at all like ours, with police raiding 70 year old senior citizens homes looking for weed? THAT right there is the true objective of the war on drugs. Anyone with half a brain would have taken the lessons from prohibition and applied them sensibly to drugs. But The other lesson from prohibition is that it causes crime to rise. And if crime rises it gives the government the ability to become more powerful.
 
You could make the reverse argument in many instances. While I feel for you and your loss (honestly), people who own guns save at least 10x the number of people killed by guns every year, so denying them their ability to do so could possibly cost even more lives (I know you never advocated taking peoples guns away, but some make jump to that conclusion from your statements).

I'll need you to provide me with statistics that demonstrate that people with guns save 10x or 2x the lives lost by guns. I'm not sure how one would quantify that .. and, not calling you a liar brother, but I doubt that is true.

I don't advocate taking anyones guns away because I know that is an impossible task in America .. and, once I actually studied who is being killed and harmed by guns, including legal ones .. I want them to have more guns.

Anyone who believes that America should be awash in guns should have more guns. They should buy so many guns that they'll need a bigger house to keep them in .. and they should make their guns available to their children .. and teach them to buy many guns.

If guns make people safer, then why not have a bazooka? NO, I'm serious. I advocate allowing Americans to own bazookas.

The hope is that at some point in our mindless spiral into paranoid pussy-people is that intelligence will shine through. It will tell us that our love of guns was always a stupid idea. It defines us as criminals who love to kill things. In fact, our history defines us as just such beings. From the moment we stepped onto these shores .. "kill everything in sight" was the order of the day.

Bear, buffalo, cougar, indian, moose, raccoon, and anything else in gunsight. Lets walk around with guns on our hips looking real cool while we blast motherfuckers into oblivion.

Good thing they landed at Plymouth Rock and not on the African continent because there'd be no lions or elephants left. However, when they did land there, guns came in real handy for stealing human beings .. then come back later and shoot all kinds of shit for "sport."

Ever read about Christopher Columbus's second voyage to America? He came back with many guns, cannons, attack dogs, and soldiers to mass-murder the very people who had saved his miserable life.

Pardon my musings brother but I know the American mind very well. I don't waste time arguing about gun control .. I want them toi have bazookas .. to kill themselves with, which is what many of them are doing with their guns. Middle aged white men have an astronomical rate of suicide in America and elderly white men aren't far behind. They kill themselves .. with guns.

Obviously being a white male in America ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Let gun-owners have bazookas .. that's my stance.
 
We have been over this before. Roughly 70% of our crime is criminal on criminal. Many of them are criminals in the first place because of the war on drugs. If you end this war, which is the cause of most of the crime in our country, our crime rates will go down. Will they be as low as France and England? I cannot say for certain but probably not. Removing all the guns from this country would also do nothing for those rates, and could in fact RAISE them (the lowest figure presented for DGUs [Defensive Gun Uses] has been 300,000, the highest has been 2.7 million).

Guns make crime and murder and suicide easy.

There is no question that the removal of guns from this society would definately and without any question reduce the rate of crime and murder and suicide.
 
Guns make crime and murder and suicide easy.

There is no question that the removal of guns from this society would definately and without any question reduce the rate of crime and murder and suicide.
doing such would only make our country in to a society where the weak are ruled by the strong. I would never live in such a place.
 
doing such would only make our country in to a society where the weak are ruled by the strong. I would never live in such a place.

That's why we have laws .. and if you please, demonstrate how a gun make a weakling anything other than a weakling with a gun?

Please demonstrate how guns keep the strong from taking advantage of weaklings.

Corporations just raped weakling Americans for trillions of taxpayer dollars. Would we have been able to prevent that if we just had more guns?

I would have no problem living in a society without guns because I don't rely on them anyway for anything.

My house is the last house one would think of breaking into because Tupac is here to greet them if they do. My family and I live as completely safe as possible .. even safer than those who have guns in their homes. Criminals don't have to guess if we're protected or not .. and a gun can't tell you there is someone standing outside you window or warn them that they'd best pick another house.

I don't get gun-love .. I never have.
 
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