Great viewpoint on the 1%.

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Liberals kinda fucked themselves, dig it. Before free trade with china we had manufacturing here. Wasn't it under Clinton's great growth that dems didn't care as long as GDP went up. Now we get cheap goods from slave labor in china and middle class wages are stagnant. Duh!!
Sorry dude but that goes all the way back to the mid 70's and the debacle that was the Nixon administration. There's enough blame to go around and anyone who looks at it from a partisan perspective is part of the problem and will never be part of the solution.

In fact if you want to blame liberals for screwing themselves you would have to go back to the mid 60's and the civil rights laws of that era which Nixon then manipulated at the southern strategy which began the era of white, mainly southern, working class people voting against their best economic interest based on divisive social issues. So in that respect Johnson was right about Dems losing the south but they lost more then that. They also lost most rural midwestern white people too.

I still view people on either side who buy into the partisan bullshit as political sheep, just following and believing in what they've been told instead of thinking for themselves. Baaaa!
 
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Complete and total bullshit Pavo. You cannot do one with out the other. That's not how wealth creation works. Wealth creation is just as dependent on the productivity of the skilled tradesman, the shrewed businessman, the competent profesional and the inspired artisan as much as they are the capitalist, the entrebraneur and the innovator. The plain hard fact of the matter is that one side of the equation achieves wealth that is disproportionate to their actual productivity, and at the expense of the other producers of wealth, political instability will result. Capitalism is important but it's just one part of the economic puzzle.

Or, in simple words even you can understand Pavo, The Capitalist can't do it all by themselves. They need helpers and those helpers expect their fair share of the pie and the reason those helper are American helpers and not Chinese, Mexican or Indian is because we have the largest volume of skilled and professional caliber workers of any nation on the planet. Why do you think the USA still has the largest economy in the world? It's not just because of our Capitalist class. You would be confusing cause with effect there. It is in a large part because we have the largest number of highly educated, skilled, professional and most productive workers in the world who have the political freedom to charge what the market will bear for their work. This permits the Capitalist class to invest in new markets, ideas and technologies with far lower risk, with far greater productivity and far greater returns then elsewhere in the world. Though that is changing as the rest of the world is starting to catch up to the American workers standard of productivity the fact is, they still have a long way to go and THAT is why America is still the largest economy in the world!

But I didn't say the capitalists can do "IT" themselves....I distinctly said,


the top 1% needed the vast armies of skilled hard working and productive individuals,

it was the 1%'s capital, the 1%'s ideas, the 1%'s innovations, inventions, and risks.... that made them successful in general

Meaning the workers couldn't do anything without that 1%


..and YOU were lucky enough to get ANY SHARE of that success.....

and I point out that you are lucky that the work happened here in the US, and not in China or some other place..those "helpers' just as easily could have been from China or wherever, and today, they increasingly are, they are smart, productive, eager and grateful.

You need to understand, you need the 1% more than they need you.....they are the indispensable minority....so get over yourself.


Thats the reality.....[/QUOTE]and that's where you're a moron. The vast middle class can bring down that house of cards in a NY minute if motivated to do so and your'e a damed fool (well we all read knew that! LOL) if you don't see that. You're just plain obtuse if you don't see that it's a symbiotic relationship. It's interdependent. We are all dependent on each other to make it work.

The productive middle class can simply bring down the Capitalist class by simply not working for them. It's been done before and the historical precedent exists. So to say they don't need us is the height of stupidity. Even the Capitalist class knows better then that. They know that they are wholy dependent on the productive working classes and cannot exist with out them. There you just dead wrong.
 
So increased taxation and handouts were responsible for the growth? No capitalistism involved, just new laws and a New Deal?
That's a straw man and you failed to address his points which are historically accurate. Keep in mind, it was the failed supply side policy after WWI that was responsible in large part for causing the Great Depression and that it was Keynesian policy largely resonsible for ending the GD.
 
That's a straw man and you failed to address his points which are historically accurate. Keep in mind, it was the failed supply side policy after WWI that was responsible in large part for causing the Great Depression and that it was Keynesian policy largely resonsible for ending the GD.

how so? did you just read this off some blog?
 
Mott we didn't trade much with china in the 80's. The liberals wouldn't have it based on human rights issues. I'm not up on when that went away, kina assumed Clinton.
 

But I didn't say the capitalists can do "IT" themselves....I distinctly said,


the top 1% needed the vast armies of skilled hard working and productive individuals,

it was the 1%'s capital, the 1%'s ideas, the 1%'s innovations, inventions, and risks.... that made them successful in general

Meaning the workers couldn't do anything without that 1%


..and YOU were lucky enough to get ANY SHARE of that success.....

and I point out that you are lucky that the work happened here in the US, and not in China or some other place..those "helpers' just as easily could have been from China or wherever, and today, they increasingly are, they are smart, productive, eager and grateful.

You need to understand, you need the 1% more than they need you.....they are the indispensable minority....so get over yourself.


Thats the reality.....
and that's where you're a moron. The vast middle class can bring down that house of cards in a NY minute if motivated to do so and your'e a damed fool (well we all read knew that! LOL) if you don't see that. You're just plain obtuse if you don't see that it's a symbiotic relationship. It's interdependent. We are all dependent on each other to make it work.

The productive middle class can simply bring down the Capitalist class by simply not working for them. It's been done before and the historical precedent exists. So to say they don't need us is the height of stupidity. Even the Capitalist class knows better then that. They know that they are wholy dependent on the productive working classes and cannot exist with out them. There you just dead wrong.[/QUOTE]


Yeah....they'll bring down the house of cards right on top of their pointy little pinheads....while the 1% hops on a plane heads for their winter digs and takes their money, ideas, and business with them.....
You've got delusions of grandeur...you just ain't the fuckin' important.....
if it take 5 Mexicans to do your job, so what....thats not a problem.....thousands can be educated to do what you think you are so great at......

You're no Steve Jobs or Bill Gates...you ain't even a Donald Trump or a Donald Duck.....you ain't nothing in the big scheme of things.....
 
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We used to have a complete and total buffoon that would come on here and spout nonsense like the above. This guy was the dumbest of the dumb. He made retards like Webb look like geniuses. We won't even get into his completely perverted stalking of women. So my question to you is, do you really wish to put yourself into such a category of ill repute? Is that the type of cut and paste poster you are going to be? Do you truly wish to be viewed as such an idiot? If so, you are on the right path. You just need to change your name to Cypress.

Then please tell me WHY the answer is always YES? If it is 'nonsense', disprove it. Innuendo is not an argument, it is a baseless emotional outburst.
The long history of mankind has always been a struggle against some form of an aristocracy. Rarely have the people won. The biggest threat to a democratic republic is money buying power. WHY do you right wing turds always side with the monied interests?

One that confounds good and evil is an enemy to good.
Edmund Burke
 
Then please tell me WHY the answer is always YES? If it is 'nonsense', disprove it. Innuendo is not an argument, it is a baseless emotional outburst.
The long history of mankind has always been a struggle against some form of an aristocracy. Rarely have the people won. The biggest threat to a democratic republic is money buying power. WHY do you right wing turds always side with the monied interests?

One that confounds good and evil is an enemy to good.
Edmund Burke

When you idiots simply MAKE UP definitions and then ask us to disprove them, it is nothing more than nonsense..... exactly as I stated.
 
Buffoon...

1) 99% of the wealth of this country is NOT in the hands of the top 1%
2) The top 1% in 1996 saw 57% of its members change by 2005... that is NOT an aristocracy
3) Try reading all of my posts, as you would see I addressed the legitimate points made by Oncelor.... when you decide to start actually posting your own thoughts rather than some bullshit nonsense you found on an ultra left wing trash site, then perhaps people will stop mocking your ignorance.
 
how so? did you just read this off some blog?

How about history? Hoover and the Feds followed the advice of the the Austrian school...it led to the great depression. It is scary how close the Hoover/Mellon liquidation plan mirrors the current Teapublicans austerity plan. I guess the right believes that Medieval blood letting just HAS to work!

Economic Policy Under Hoover

Throughout this decline—which carried real GNP per worker down to a level 40 percent below that which it had attained in 1929, and which saw the unemployment rise to take in more than a quarter of the labor force—the government did not try to prop up aggregate demand. The only expansionary fiscal policy action undertaken was the Veterans’ Bonus, passed over President Hoover’s veto. That aside, the full employment budget surplus did not fall over 1929–33.

The Federal Reserve did not use open market operations to keep the nominal money supply from falling. Instead, its only significant systematic use of open market operations was in the other direction: to raise interest rates and discourage gold outflows after the United Kingdom abandoned the gold standard in the fall of 1931.

This inaction did not come about because they did not understand the tools of monetary policy. This inaction did not come about because the Federal Reserve was constrained by the necessity of defending the gold standard. The Federal Reserve knew what it was doing: it was letting the private sector handle the Depression in its own fashion. It saw the private sector’s task as the “liquidation” of the American economy. It feared that expansionary monetary policy would impede the necessary private-sector process of readjustment.

Contemplating in retrospect the wreck of his country’s economy and his own presidency, Herbert Hoover wrote bitterly in his memoirs about those who had advised inaction during the downslide:

The ‘leave-it-alone liquidationists’ headed by Secretary of the Treasury Mellon…felt that government must keep its hands off and let the slump liquidate itself. Mr. Mellon had only one formula: ‘Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate’.…He held that even panic was not altogether a bad thing. He said: ‘It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people’.

The Federal Reserve took almost no steps to halt the slide into the Great Depression over 1929–33. Instead, the Federal Reserve acted as if appropriate policy was not to try to avoid the oncoming Great Depression, but to allow it to run its course and “liquidate” the unprofitable portions of the private economy.

In adopting such “liquidationist” policies, the Federal Reserve was merely following the recommendations provided by an economic theory of depressions that was in fact common before the Keynesian Revolution and was held by economists like Friedrich Hayek, Lionel Robbins, and Joseph Schumpeter.

The Federal Reserve did not push reserves into the banking system during the 1929–33 decline. It passively stood by while the nominal money stock fell by a third. The federal government did not increase its spending while allowing its tax revenues to fall. Instead, strenuous efforts were made to balance the budget and keep it balanced. These policies were disastrous. They certainly did not stop the contraction in economic activity. They may well have severely aggravated it, and presumably played an important role in making the 1929–41 depression into the Great Depression.

The current of mind that underlay “liquidationism” was not a freak belief held by central bankers and makers of policy alone. Such a “liquidationist” theory of the function of depressions was in fact a common position for economists to take before the Keynesian Revolution, and was held and advanced by economists as eminent as Hayek, Robbins, and Schumpeter. In squeezing an already-weak economy, the makers of American economic policy were to some degree acting as John Maynard Keynes believed that policy makers always act: they were “madmen in authority” obeying voices in the air which were to some degree echoes of academic debates. Academic economics gave central bankers a warrant for their contractionary depression-era policies.

In the aftermath of the Great Depression, the intellectual rout of the liquidationists and the victory of the Keynesians was complete. Pre-Keynesian business cycle theory receives less than a footnote in post-World War II macroeconomic texts.
 
How about history? Hoover and the Feds followed the advice of the the Austrian school...it led to the great depression. It is scary how close the Hoover/Mellon liquidation plan mirrors the current Teapublicans austerity plan. I guess the right believes that Medieval blood letting just HAS to work!

Government spending INCREASES and Buffoon calls it 'austerity'
 
SSSSHhhhhhhh....retard....the grown ups are talking...

"During an interview with CNN yesterday (video below), GOP frontrunner Herman Cain confirmed his long relationship with the conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch.

Cain has cast himself as the political outsider and successful businessman, but his economic ideas, support and organization have close ties to the billionaire brothers who bankroll right-leaning causes through their "grass roots" front group 'Americans for Prosperity,' which opposes Wall Street Reform, cap and trade laws, unions, environmental regulations and health care reform

ABC News reports that Cain credits a businessman who served on an Americans for Prosperity advisory board for helping to create his "9-9-9" plan to rewrite the tax code, which would slash corporate taxes, but increase taxes on working Americans.

On CNN, Cain said "I know the Koch Brothers. The Koch Brothers helped to start to an organization called Americans for Prosperity. And I did some speaking when they were starting that organization, and I’m very proud of the relationship that I have with the Koch Brothers, as well as Americans for Prosperity. I have also attended some of their seminars and have found them very informative. So I don’t have a close relationship with the Koch Brothers, but I know them and I respect them, and they know me and respect me."


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/poli...-herman-cain-proud-relationship-koch-brothers
 
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