Graham unloads on Trump: Blind spot on Russia 'undermining his entire presidency'

[anatta]

Who said anything about you and the Democratic Party or Hillary Clinton?

You're a partisan republican, why would I expect that you would?

Trump hogtied himself with incredible ignorance of all things presidential. He's a buffoon who thinks he lives in a WWE ring.

He's making no progress in doing anything about the Russian probe but adding fuel to the fire. A joint US/Russian cyber security effort is as mindless as anything I've ever heard.

you've gotten to the point you want rant instead of discuss.
Once again a Democrat ( and you are essentially a progressive Dem now from all I can tell)
has no answer for entitlement reform/Medicade expansion payments.

A joint US/Russian cyber security effort is as mindless as anything I've ever heard

it's an idea if it's removed for the IC. ( obviously we cannot give them IC database access)

There are a lot more problematic hackers/hacks out there then Podesta's inbox or the DNC server.
And there are a lot of them that are non-state actors as well that get into our private and gov't data bases.
The Chinese did FAR more damage when they hacked into and compromised Office of Personnel Management..

But go ahead with you resistance, and call me a "Republican" if it makes you happy.
I find both silly.

 

[Bill]

Who said anything about you and the Democratic Party or Hillary Clinton?

You're a partisan republican, why would I expect that you would?

Trump hogtied himself with incredible ignorance of all things presidential. He's a buffoon who thinks he lives in a WWE ring.

He's making no progress in doing anything about the Russian probe but adding fuel to the fire. A joint US/Russian cyber security effort is as mindless as anything I've ever heard.

Yea, especially now, @ a time like this, it's baffling, even for someone as ignorant as he is......

Of course putin may have ordered him to do it to counter, the counter of the counter from the deep state....

 

[blackascoal]

you've gotten to the point you want rant instead of discuss.
Once again a Democrat ( and you are essentially a progressive Dem now from all I can tell)
has no answer for entitlement reform/Medicade expansion payments.

it's an idea if it's removed for the IC. ( obviously we cannot give them IC database access)

There are a lot more problematic hackers/hacks out there then Podesta's inbox or the DNC server.
And there are a lot of them that are non-state actors as well that get into our private and gov't data bases.
The Chinese did FAR more damage when they hacked into and compromised Office of Personnel Management..

But go ahead with you resistance, and call me a "Republican" if it makes you happy.
I find both silly.

Frankly, you're a Trump supporter .. thus I really don't care what you find silly. :0) Surely that was a joke.

In case you missed it, I am discussing. Do I have to say what you want to hear for it to be considered discussion?

 

[Bill]

I suggest realpolitik on the Ukraine..there is no "reset" only problem solving going forward .
there are deals to be had if we talk.

Do you intend that to mean something??? What I have no idea...

 

[blackascoal]

Yea, especially now, @ a time like this, it's baffling, even for someone as ignorant as he is......

Of course putin may have ordered him to do it to counter, the counter of the counter from the deep state....

Amazing how one can just make some shit up .. pull it right out of their ass .. like 'deep state' .. then just watch some people licking it clean like Jesus said it. :0)

 

[anatta]

Frankly, you're a Trump supporter .. thus I really don't care what you find silly. :0) Surely that was a joke.

In case you missed it, I am discussing. Do I have to say what you want to hear for it to be considered discussion?

I tried to discuss Medicade expansion with you. how do we pay for it?
You're not the only one without an answer, but Dems are going around saying any cuts in the rate of expansion is a death sentence- bu never addressing how to pay for it.

I've discussed real tangible reasons for why Cold War 2 spending needs to decrease, not sharply rise.
And we do that thru rapproachment -not brinksmanship

I even addressed your point on joint cyber-security. what "discussion" do I get back?
"You're a Trump supporter"

 

[anatta]

Do you intend that to mean something??? What I have no idea...

i've hashed this out so many times I should just c.p it.

1. sitting around and bitching about Crimes is worthless.sanctions are worthless -it's a done deal.

What's the other hot spot? Donbass - maybe we offer some recognition of Crimea in return for not supporting the Russian separatists?

those are just my quick examples.. realpolitik at work. Nations negotiating for mutual benefit

 

[Bill]

I tried to discuss Medicade expansion with you. how do we pay for it?
You're not the only one without an answer, but Dems are going around saying any cuts in the rate of expansion is a death sentence- bu never addressing how to pay for it.

I've discussed real tangible reasons for why Cold War 2 spending needs to decrease, not sharply rise.
And we do that thru rapproachment -not brinksmanship

I even addressed your point on joint cyber-security. what "discussion" do I get back?
"You're a Trump supporter"

TAX THE RICH, CUT THE MIC BUDGET, make congress subject to the same laws & healthcare as everyone else or door #2 just have Mexico pay for it like they are the trump wall or door #3 CHina tariffs...

 

[anatta]

TAX THE RICH, CUT THE MIC BUDGET, make congress subject to the same laws & healthcare as everyone else or door #2 just have Mexico pay for it like they are the trump wall or door #3 CHina tariffs...

Sequestor did some real damage that needs repairing. I'm all in on reducing Cold War 2 expenditures.
Congress are fat cats. no way they are going to pay for their own HC.

Tax the rich is fine -but GDP growth is the real answer

 

[Bill]

i've hashed this out so many times I should just c.p it.

1. sitting around and bitching about Crimes is worthless.sanctions are worthless -it's a done deal.

What's the other hot spot? Donbass - maybe we offer some recognition of Crimea in return for not supporting the Russian separatists?

those are just my quick examples.. realpolitik at work. Nations negotiating for mutual benefit

Whats real is putin already has about 1/3 of the place, what is up for negotiation is the other 2/3..

 

[anatta]

Whats real is putin already has about 1/3 of the place, what is up for negotiation is the other 2/3..

oh well. Putin would point to the Crimean Referendum, and to be fair Crimea is historic Russian.
hell the Uk itself is Malorossiya (little Russia) ..

be all that as it may- one way or the other- there is a hot nasty war going on in Donbass
That needs to get worked out

 

[Bill]

oh well. Putin would point to the Crimean Referendum, and to be fair Crimea is historic Russian.
hell the Uk itself is Malorossiya (little Russia) ..

be all that as it may- one way or the other- there is a hot nasty war going on in Donbass
That needs to get worked out

I am fully aware of the history...
That does not bother me, what does is your endless excuses now days for all things Russia, since trump...

 

[anatta]

I am fully aware of the history...
That does not bother me, what does is your endless excuses now days for all things Russia, since trump...

my 'excuses' are realpolitik. sanctions are not effective in modifying Putin's behavior
and Germany doesn't want the first round, muchless anymore.

My desire is to stop Cold War 2 madness -a very expensive trip wire situation that gives a false sense of security.
My perspective is one of "where do we go from here" not self-satisfying condemnation of Putin that accomplish nothing

 

[Micawber]

my 'excuses' are realpolitik. sanctions are not effective in modifying Putin's behavior
and Germany doesn't want the first round, muchless anymore.

My desire is to stop Cold War 2 madness -a very expensive trip wire situation that gives a false sense of security.
My perspective is one of "where do we go from here" not self-satisfying condemnation of Putin that accomplish nothing

You'll need to address his point for any hope of being believed. Your fixation with all things pro Russia occurred the exact instant as your infatuation with the orange ignoramus.

 

[Micawber]

you've gotten to the point you want rant instead of discuss.
Once again a Democrat ( and you are essentially a progressive Dem now from all I can tell)
has no answer for entitlement reform/Medicade expansion payments.

it's an idea if it's removed for the IC. ( obviously we cannot give them IC database access)

There are a lot more problematic hackers/hacks out there then Podesta's inbox or the DNC server.
And there are a lot of them that are non-state actors as well that get into our private and gov't data bases.
The Chinese did FAR more damage when they hacked into and compromised Office of Personnel Management..

But go ahead with you resistance, and call me a "Republican" if it makes you happy.
I find both silly.

You even support Dumps joint Russian cyber task force? Lmfao. Just bend over. Trump owns you.

 

[Rune]

I've excoriated the Republican party. I have no use for them. I've routinely criticized Trumps tweets,'
I do not go after everyone of his faux pas because I've said from the beginning I care little about what he says
but much about what he does.

The entire Russian collusion is a delusion. But Trump's foreign policy has been one I've agreed with-
unlike Obama's meddling and interventionism.
So there is nothing for me to criticize there.

Domestically it's all Kabuki,and while I support most of his executive orders ( including the Travel ban)
there isn't much big legislation yet.
I could criticize his inconsistency- but in general he's done as much as possible to pass-considering the Democrtas resistance, and the Swamp Republicans.

Pay attention to what I write before you criticize it please.

OMG

 

[CFM]

Good to see there are still a few real men left in the gop, not just a party of running dogs....... Running dog is a literal translation into English of the Chinese pejorative 走狗 (Chinese: zǒu gǒu), meaning lackey or lapdog, an unprincipled person who helps or flatters those more powerful and often evil

What Lindsey has to say is hilarious considering he couldn't garner enough support in his own state to make a straw poll in it after announcing he was considering a run for President.

 

[Micawber]

OMG

I paid attention to what he wrote. Now I can criticize. It is all bullshit and lies and stupidity.

 

[Rune]

I paid attention to what he wrote. Now I can criticize. It is all bullshit and lies and stupidity.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

It is sickening really.

Truly disgusting.

The best (or at least most ironic) are the plaintive bleats to be taken seriously but his only reply to argument breaking facts is to assail the character/motive or intelligence of the opposition.
Childish, arrogant and at once ignorant beyond dreams (nightmares).

 

[tsuke]

Methinks he doth protest too much.

It is sickening really.

Truly disgusting.

The best (or at least most ironic) are the plaintive bleats to be taken seriously but his only reply to argument breaking facts is to assail the character/motive or intelligence of the opposition.
Childish, arrogant and at once ignorant beyond dreams (nightmares).

Trump is already dismantling russia economically by producing more oil and becoming a direct competitor for natural gas in poland and other eastern european countries.

all the groans in the world will not change this brother rune :*