Gov. Rick Perry weighs in on Texas explosion cartoon?!!

Althea said:
Dick Cheney's son in law successfully pushed the oversight of chemical plants from the EPA, to Homeland Security. HS didn't even know the plant existed, let alone that it possessed a lot more than the allowable weight of chemical on site. Why didn't Texas require proper reporting of inventory?
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That's not correct.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
What good is any regulation without enforcement?

Trust me, those responsible at the State
level who we're guilty for not enforcing the law, from the Governor on down, are going to hear about it and those responsible managers at the plant who did not report the quantity of ammonium nitrate as required by CFAT and EPCRA regulation will go to jail.

This will probably be another case, like enforcement of the CAA, where the Federal government has to take over the Texas program due to incompetence or blatant disregard for the law.
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yeah, that federal government sure knows how to follow the law and never fails to follow regulations LOL
 
Libertad! said:
Exactly. STY can't both condemn democrats for wanting to over regulate, and accuse them of not doing it. That doesn't make sense - and the solution to underregulation isn't deregulation.
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in case you haven't been paying attention, I condemn both democrats AND republicans, especially at the state level. Both parties have historically shown to be completely inept at anything other than lining their own pockets.
 
Justin Time said:
Liberals will never waste a chance to dance on the graves to push their political agenda

I remember when the bodies were still in the water, Democrats were blaming Bush for a bridge collapse in MN
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Looks to me like he was rightfully criticized, Whiz Kid.
 
Justin Time said:
Liberals will never waste a chance to dance on the graves to push their political agenda

I remember when the bodies were still in the water, Democrats were blaming Bush for a bridge collapse in MN
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Normally I don't respond to the profoundly ignorant but even a half witted moron can see that deregulation and lack of enforcement at the State level played a significant role in this disaster.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
in case you haven't been paying attention, I condemn both democrats AND republicans, especially at the state level. Both parties have historically shown to be completely inept at anything other than lining their own pockets.
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Yes, you do - and I agree with everything you just wrote. But that doesn't refute the point I'm making.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
all that burdensome regulation and bloated government safety agency and they couldn't seem to get off their lazy asses to inspect a plant for over 25 years, what good did all that regulation do?
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As we can all see...all the regulations in the world won't protect you if those in charge don't properly fund their enforcement.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's not correct.
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Yes...it is
The heads of Department of Homeland Security and Environmental Protection Agency had planned to regulate the security of chemical sites, but Dick Cheney’s son-in-law Philip Perry stepped in and informed them they lacked the authority to do so without congressional legislation.


At the time, Perry was serving as the general counsel of the Office of Management and Budget at the White House.
“Basically, the Bush administration from above pulled support for that bill because the chemical industry does not want to be regulated by the EPA,” Hayes said.
“Fast forward to 2007, and Philip Perry — again, Dick Cheney’s son-in-law — is at the Department of Homeland Security as general counsel. What he managed to do in an appropriations rider is slip in industry friendly language into the bill that moves the task of regulating chemical plants from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Department of Homeland Security. But DHS is given none of the tools it would need to do that.”
Barack Obama introduced legislation to regulated chemical plants as a U.S. senator in 2006, but his bill was blocked by Republicans. Recently, the Obama administration has considered allowing the EPA to once again regulate the plants, but has faced a backlash from the chemical industy
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/...eneys-son-in-law-deregulated-chemical-plants/
 
(Reuters) - The fertilizer plant that exploded on Wednesday, obliterating part of a small Texas town and killing at least 14 people, had last year been storing 1,350 times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger safety oversight by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).Yet a person familiar with DHS operations said the company that owns the plant, West Fertilizer, did not tell the agency about the potentially explosive fertilizer as it is required to do, leaving one of the principal regulators of ammonium nitrate - which can also be used in bomb making - unaware of any danger there.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/20/us-usa-explosion-regulation-idUSBRE93J09N20130420
 
Althea said:
Yes...it is http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/...eneys-son-in-law-deregulated-chemical-plants/
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Yea well Congress issued Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards in 2007 and prior to CFATS regulation you had Emergency Planing and Community Right to know Act (EPCRA) with it annual reporting requirements that has been around since 1986 which includes the Toxic Release Inventory Program (TRI). So the State of Texas has had these reporting requirements in place since 1986 and 2007 both of which apparently were not enforced by the State of Texas.
 
Howey said:
Looks to me like he was rightfully criticized, Whiz Kid.
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Once again you talk about something you know nothing about

How would you like your crow?

Rare. medium, or well done?

Investigators said Monday that the Interstate 35W bridge in Minneapolis, which collapsed into the Mississippi River on Aug. 1, killing 13, came down because of a flaw in its design.

The designers had specified a metal plate that was too thin to serve as a junction of several girders, investigators say.

The bridge was designed in the 1960s and lasted 40 years. But like most other bridges, it gradually gained weight during that period, as workers installed concrete structures to separate eastbound and westbound lanes and made other changes, adding strain to the weak spot. At the time of the collapse, crews had brought tons of equipment and material onto the deck for a repair job.

The National Transportation Safety Board has scheduled a news conference for Tuesday to discuss its investigation.

The information released will be important to highway departments across the northern United States, which are now planning their warm-weather inspection and repair programs. Usually they inspect for corrosion and age-related cracking, but that was not the problem in the Minneapolis collapse, investigators now say.

“This is not a bridge-inspection thing,” said one investigator, “It’s calculating loads and looking at designs.” The investigator spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the investigators’ findings before the announcement Tuesday.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/washington/15bridge.html?_r=1&
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Mott the Hoople said:
Yea well Congress issued Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards in 2007 and prior to CFATS regulation you had Emergency Planing and Community Right to know Act (EPCRA) with it annual reporting requirements that has been around since 1986 which includes the Toxic Release Inventory Program (TRI). So the State of Texas has had these reporting requirements in place since 1986 and 2007 both of which apparently were not enforced by the State of Texas.
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I think the problem here is that oversight of chemicals from a safety aspect is more important than oversight of chemicals from a terrorism aspect. I can't help but believe that the EPA would be more pro active in assuring proper protocols than HS, which has too many other irons in the fire.

And that was the whole reason for the little '1/2' Cheney's actions. To make it virtually impossible to keep track of these plants. But I do agree that Texas takes the majority of the blame here.
 
Althea said:
I think the problem here is that oversight of chemicals from a safety aspect is more important than oversight of chemicals from a terrorism aspect. I can't help but believe that the EPA would be more pro active in assuring proper protocols than HS, which has too many other irons in the fire.

And that was the whole reason for the little '1/2' Cheney's actions. To make it virtually impossible to keep track of these plants. But I do agree that Texas takes the majority of the blame here.
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unfortunately, we need both, but bushco has seen to a lack of federal oversight by misdirection and the defunding of the epa
 
Don Quixote said:
unfortunately, we need both, but bushco has seen to a lack of federal oversight by misdirection and the defunding of the epa
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Yes...Cheney did it with the fracking companies, and his son in law pushed it with the chemical companies. Amazing how long it takes to reverse bad legislation.
 
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