GOP winning formula: CHEAT!

[Lightbringer]

I'll toss in one of those "horror stories" I just got fixed last month. My mother (94) and has mild Alzheimer's, during the last open season for Medicare got bombarded by mail and phone calls from "providers" who wanted her to sign up for additional coverage. Not recognizing she didn't need such coverage, she ended up being put on two plans that took me nearly a month to get cancelled.
Medicare--the government--told me when I called to complain that direction that they don't track employer insurance plans for people on Medicare, only supplemental plans approved by Medicare. My mom had survivor benefits on an employee plan my father had so she already had 100% coverage.
Aetna was pretty easy about cancelling their coverage when I got a hold of them. Humana on the other hand fought tooth and nail to keep her on their plan and it took weeks of fighting with them to end coverage (I told them she wasn't going to pay and that being POA on her bank accounts I'd blocked all withdrawals to their company). They weren't happy about that and finally agreed to drop the coverage once they realized they weren't getting paid.

Yeah, dude the predators are thick in this country right now. May they all burn in hell.

 

[gemini104104]

Since its inception, the Affordable Care Act has been in the crosshairs of the GOP at the behest of their insurance lobby masters.
They couldn't do it by legal vote in Congress, and individual Red States do their damnedest to block or reduce it's effectiveness. Here's the latest attempt that was thwarted by the President (one of the few wholly positive thing he's done so far, IMHO)

Biden suspends Gov. Kemp’s attempt to block ACA site from hundreds of thousands of Georgia residents

A plan by Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp to block residents from gaining access to health insurance via the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace has been suspended by a very sensible President Joe Biden.

Kemp obviously doesn’t care about the 700,000 Georgians who signed up for coverage through the marketplace.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...urce=rss&utm_medium=Sendible&utm_campaign=RSS

There is also a Blue Wave winning formula that worked in 2020 versus tRump and his bastard repuke insurgency of the sewer that waged war on the secure and lawful electoral process, and this all I will mention in this regard at dealing with the GQP enemy from within and other elements that are also waging war on Democracy, humanity and anything else of a decent and civilized nature on Earth.

 

[Stone]

There is also a Blue Wave winning formula that worked in 2020 versus tRump and his bastard repuke insurgency of the sewer that waged war on the secure and lawful electoral process, and this all I will mention in this regard at dealing with the GQP enemy from within and other elements that are also waging war on Democracy, humanity and anything else of a decent and civilized nature on Earth.

Naw,...........You arent NUTS or anything. You are just perfectly normal! Where does the left dig people like you up?

 

[Callinectes]

No, if you do not have coverage, you can only get emergency care. The government will offer some types of coverage, like Medicare and Medicaid, but does not just pay for medical care, if there is no coverage.

And you completely disregard the 2nd half of of my reply. Let me summarize for you. Obamacare was created to fail. Why? After it failed miserably, it would pave the way for a complete federal takeover of the American healthcare system and the extinction of the damnable health insurance companies. It’s what you jackasses do, let big government consume the private sector. It’s as if you were in a competition with the likes of fucking china and russia to see who can be the most authoritarian dictatorship.

Let’s take a look at some enrollment numbers 12 years into this clusterfuck. In 2022, there are about 13 million people enrolled in the “affordable” care act. At that rate of enrollment, it would take roughly 350 years to bring the whole country under the government boot heel. Let’s hear it for freedom!

Not straying too far from the topic, did you hear upchuck schumer on the steps of the SCOTUS yesterday? Now he’s braying about a new federal law “legalizing” abortion. They really hate to give up ANY power back to the states, do they?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

It always amazes me when people make the argument that health care costs never went up prior to the passage of the ACA.

Comparing the costs for a premium under ACA to a premium prior to the ACA is cherry picking data since it is not a comparison of actual coverage. The ACA set a standard for coverage that was higher than many insurance policies prior to the ACA. While one could argue that buying a piece of crap policy is cheaper than buying one that actually covers your health needs, one can't make a valid argument that the price of the policies actual reflect the price of health care. A $100 a month policy with a $10,000 deductible might be cheaper than a $500 policy with a $3,000 deductible but if you need medical care the more expensive policy is cheaper. Then you add in that the $100 a month policy can drop you if your medical costs exceed $50,000 and the $500 a month can't it becomes even easier to see which is the better policy and why simply comparing price is a fool's game. But then no one said the Heritage Foundation wasn't designed to be a fool's game which they often are.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Let’s take a look at some enrollment numbers 12 years into this clusterfuck. In 2022, there are about 13 million people enrolled in the “affordable” care act. At that rate of enrollment, it would take roughly 350 years to bring the whole country under the government boot heel. Let’s hear it for freedom!

You really need to educate yourself on what the ACA is. It is not just about who enrolled on their own and is getting subsidies.

 

[evince]

Insurance companies are leaving the health insurance market.

The ACA is one of the reasons.

Good


Fuck them

They make the cost of health care spiral

 

[Walt]

Obamacare was created to fail.

No it was not. It was created to be better than what came before it, but not perfect. It was the best we could get, and we can all agree it was so much more than we thought Obama/Biden could get. It was intended to be constantly improved.

If trump could have improved it, he would have gotten Democratic support. Both Obama and Biden said that he should just call it trumpcare, and be immortalized by the improvement. trump refused to put in the hard work.

After it failed miserably

After a miserable failure, people backtrack. That is just human nature. After a partial success, they proceed forward. Again, that is just human nature. What Obamacare needs to be is a partial success, which it has been.

it would pave the way for a complete federal takeover of the American healthcare system and the extinction of the damnable health insurance companies.

Germany has universal healthcare with private insurance companies. Once you get near universal healthcare, you basically have universal healthcare, because the few people who fall through the cracks can easily be taken care of. Our problem is too many people are falling through the cracks.

Anyway, there is no need to get rid of the insurance companies.

In 2022, there are about 13 million people enrolled in the “affordable” care act.

You cannot enroll in an act, but in 2021, 90.4% of Americans had ACA qualifying health coverage. That would be 301 million people. Many of them would have had ACA qualifying insurance even if ACA did not exist, but still ACA increased the population having good insurance.

And that is during a pandemic, recession, and having penalties on not having health coverage zeroed out.

 

[Code1211]

You're propaganda like approach is 2nd rate, my friend. Case in point from your first link: in spite of the recent increases, the number of uninsured individuals remains well below levels prior to enactment of the ACA. The number of uninsured nonelderly individuals dropped from more than 46.5 million in 2010 to fewer than 26.7 million in 2016 before climbing to 28.9 million individuals in 2019. We focus on coverage among nonelderly people since Medicare offers near universal coverage for the elderly, with just 407,000, or less than 1%, of people over age 65 uninsured.

- Despite these increases, the uninsured rate in 2019 remained significantly below pre-ACA levels.

That's just a primary example of your "learning"...seems you "learn" what suits your beliefs or pre-conceived notions, then you just ignore, dismiss, or delete what you don't like.

Logic dictates that if the ACA was as you say, not a positive answer to the medical coverage situation, then there would be no need for the attempted actions as described in the OP. Clearly, the right wing is trying to create a reality that does not exist. Despite your unfounded personal attitude, people in general are not stupid. Many do not vote against their own interest, nor do they settle for a situation that does not suit their needs...hence the number of folk in the OP signing up for the ACA.

To date, when you hash through all the BS, the status quo has no viable alternative, and essentially revisits the situation pre-ACA days.

That wasn't cutting it. Deal with it.

The propaganda is what is deceiving you.

There were plenty who were uninsured that CHOSE to be uninsured before the ACA.

There were 30 million uninsurable before the ACA according to Obama. 46 million uninsured according to you. 16 million CHOSE to be uninsured.

Now EVERYONE is insurable and there are STILL about 30 million uninsured. The number of those CHOOSING to be uninsured seems to have almost doubled.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...ntingtheUninsured46MillionorMorethan30Million
<snip>
Last night, President Obama stated: "We are the only democracy—the only advanced democracy on Earth—the only wealthy nation—that allows such hardship for millions of its people. There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage."
<snip>

 

[Code1211]

Good


Fuck them

They make the cost of health care spiral

Insurance costs were rising at about the same rate before and after the ACA was passed.

The costs are actually established by the health care providers, not the insurance providers.

Your gripe is more logically directed at the hospitals and doctors than at the Insurance providers.

Your are complaining about the folks that PAY the high prices for us and letting those that CHARGE the high prices off with no blame.

 

[Jarod]

Since its inception, the Affordable Care Act has been in the crosshairs of the GOP at the behest of their insurance lobby masters.
They couldn't do it by legal vote in Congress, and individual Red States do their damnedest to block or reduce it's effectiveness. Here's the latest attempt that was thwarted by the President (one of the few wholly positive thing he's done so far, IMHO)

Biden suspends Gov. Kemp’s attempt to block ACA site from hundreds of thousands of Georgia residents

A plan by Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp to block residents from gaining access to health insurance via the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace has been suspended by a very sensible President Joe Biden.

Kemp obviously doesn’t care about the 700,000 Georgians who signed up for coverage through the marketplace.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...urce=rss&utm_medium=Sendible&utm_campaign=RSS

And lie!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You're propaganda like approach is 2nd rate, my friend. Case in point from your first link: in spite of the recent increases, the number of uninsured individuals remains well below levels prior to enactment of the ACA. The number of uninsured non elderly individuals dropped from more than 46.5 million in 2010 to fewer than 26.7 million in 2016 before climbing to 28.9 million individuals in 2019. We focus on coverage among non elderly people since Medicare offers near universal coverage for the elderly, with just 407,000, or less than 1%, of people over age 65 uninsured.

- Despite these increases, the uninsured rate in 2019 remained significantly below pre-ACA levels.




That's just a primary example of your "learning"...seems you "learn" what suits your beliefs or pre-conceived notions, then you just ignore, dismiss, or delete what you don't like.

Logic dictates that if the ACA was as you say, not a positive answer to the medical coverage situation, then there would be no need for the attempted actions as described in the OP. Clearly, the right wing is trying to create a reality that does not exist. Despite your unfounded personal attitude, people in general are not stupid. Many do not vote against their own interest, nor do they settle for a situation that does not suit their needs...hence the number of folk in the OP signing up for the ACA.

To date, when you hash through all the BS, the status quo has no viable alternative, and essentially revisits the situation pre-ACA days.

That wasn't cutting it. Deal with it.

The propaganda is what is deceiving you.

There were plenty who were uninsured that CHOSE to be uninsured before the ACA.

There were 30 million uninsurable before the ACA according to Obama. 46 million uninsured according to you. 16 million CHOSE to be uninsured.

Now EVERYONE is insurable and there are STILL about 30 million uninsured. The number of those CHOOSING to be uninsured seems to have almost doubled.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...ntingtheUninsured46MillionorMorethan30Million
<snip>
Last night, President Obama stated: "We are the only democracy—the only advanced democracy on Earth—the only wealthy nation—that allows such hardship for millions of its people. There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage."
<snip>

Your code is severely flawed, as what I posted is DOCUMENTED BY VALID SOURCES.

All YOU do is just shovel supposition and conjecture attached to a previous general synopsis excerpt, ignoring what has been presented. You wail "fake news" like your orange faced god, yet you cannot logically or factually prove it. Case in point, the OP is testament to the FACT that the ACA is STILL a desired option .... thus a GOP clown is trying to block registration in order to make drivel like yours seem legit.

Your code is essentially the same lame ass propaganda techniques we see used by the bobble heads at Fox News and Clear Channel. Easily checked and verified, and thus finding you just full of it in the traditional right wing wonk tradition.

 

[Code1211]

Your code is severely flawed, as what I posted is DOCUMENTED BY VALID SOURCES.

All YOU do is just shovel supposition and conjecture attached to a previous general synopsis excerpt, ignoring what has been presented. You wail "fake news" like your orange faced god, yet you cannot logically or factually prove it. Case in point, the OP is testament to the FACT that the ACA is STILL a desired option .... thus a GOP clown is trying to block registration in order to make drivel like yours seem legit.

Your code is essentially the same lame ass propaganda techniques we see used by the bobble heads at Fox News and Clear Channel. Easily checked and verified, and thus finding you just full of it in the traditional right wing wonk tradition.

You never seem to be able to understand what I post.

I think i know how to use the ignore function.

I'll try it out.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Your code is severely flawed, as what I posted is DOCUMENTED BY VALID SOURCES.

All YOU do is just shovel supposition and conjecture attached to a previous general synopsis excerpt, ignoring what has been presented. You wail "fake news" like your orange faced god, yet you cannot logically or factually prove it. Case in point, the OP is testament to the FACT that the ACA is STILL a desired option .... thus a GOP clown is trying to block registration in order to make drivel like yours seem legit.

Your code is essentially the same lame ass propaganda techniques we see used by the bobble heads at Fox News and Clear Channel. Easily checked and verified, and thus finding you just full of it in the traditional right wing wonk tradition.

You never seem to be able to understand what I post.

I think i know how to use the ignore function.

I'll try it out.

As the reader can clearly see, this clown Code is just a lot of MAGA machinations and right wing rhetoric trying to come of as a pseudo-intellectual. But when taken to task, he just avoids what he can't BS past anyone and claims to be above the common man of understanding.

The chronology of the posts, however, makes his assertions to be foolish blahering.

I hope he does ignore my posts and threads, because we can all do without his intellectual impotence/dishonesty and cowardice.

 

[RB 60]

I have a difficult time believing that 158,590,894 registered Americans voted (only once) for a president in 2020.

 

[RB 60]

Your code is severely flawed, as what I posted is DOCUMENTED BY VALID SOURCES.

All YOU do is just shovel supposition and conjecture attached to a previous general synopsis excerpt, ignoring what has been presented. You wail "fake news" like your orange faced god, yet you cannot logically or factually prove it. Case in point, the OP is testament to the FACT that the ACA is STILL a desired option .... thus a GOP clown is trying to block registration in order to make drivel like yours seem legit.

Your code is essentially the same lame ass propaganda techniques we see used by the bobble heads at Fox News and Clear Channel. Easily checked and verified, and thus finding you just full of it in the traditional right wing wonk tradition.

^ This is why you're considered a piss-logged turd floating at the bottom of the cesspool of stupidity.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So when all is said and done, you were wrong. As for premiums https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/

Bottom line: The ACA is not a cure all, but a hell of a lot more employed folk sure as hell prefer it to the old standard (where many didn't have adequate insurance, if any at all).

Actually, by every measure, Obamacare has been a costly failure. From premiums that cost more, to massive taxpayer support of the program, to nowhere near as many people signing up for it as predicted, Obamacare was an idiotic exercise in government stupidity.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), or Obamacare, was principally intended to improve health insurance markets for individuals and small businesses, lower health costs, and increase the number of people with insurance. It largely failed. Health insurance markets are only afloat because of massive federal subsidies and premiums and out-of-pocket obligations significantly increased for families.

Middle-income families without employer-provided coverage and small businesses and their workers have largely fared worse from higher health care costs as did the nation’s taxpayers who are responsible for funding all of the law’s new spending.

Giant subsidies are available for lower-income exchange enrollees, and they are unsurprisingly, the only ones primarily enrolling. More than 70 percent of exchange enrollees have incomes below 250 percent of the federal poverty level ($31,900 for a single individual and $65,500 for a family-of-four). As premiums have skyrocketed, more than 4 million individuals who don’t qualify for subsidies dropped out of the market between 2015 and 2018.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...3debfcf4811ec972b62b8b52ef2f4&sh=276dd9cf4d99

 

[gemini104104]

Since its inception, the Affordable Care Act has been in the crosshairs of the GOP at the behest of their insurance lobby masters.
They couldn't do it by legal vote in Congress, and individual Red States do their damnedest to block or reduce it's effectiveness. Here's the latest attempt that was thwarted by the President (one of the few wholly positive thing he's done so far, IMHO)

Biden suspends Gov. Kemp’s attempt to block ACA site from hundreds of thousands of Georgia residents

A plan by Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp to block residents from gaining access to health insurance via the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace has been suspended by a very sensible President Joe Biden.

Kemp obviously doesn’t care about the 700,000 Georgians who signed up for coverage through the marketplace.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...urce=rss&utm_medium=Sendible&utm_campaign=RSS

The only winning formula of the un-American GOP is a sure winning way to hell, and that goes for their hell bound supporters too among them who haven't made to hell yet on their treasonous, rancid and defiled bodies and souls of that journey.

 

[FreeSpeech1789]

Since its inception, the Affordable Care Act has been in the crosshairs of the GOP at the behest of their insurance lobby masters.
They couldn't do it by legal vote in Congress, and individual Red States do their damnedest to block or reduce it's effectiveness. Here's the latest attempt that was thwarted by the President (one of the few wholly positive thing he's done so far, IMHO)

Biden suspends Gov. Kemp’s attempt to block ACA site from hundreds of thousands of Georgia residents

A plan by Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp to block residents from gaining access to health insurance via the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace has been suspended by a very sensible President Joe Biden.

Kemp obviously doesn’t care about the 700,000 Georgians who signed up for coverage through the marketplace.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...urce=rss&utm_medium=Sendible&utm_campaign=RSS

The ACA is unconstitutional and daily kos is an asswipe.

 

[FreeSpeech1789]

The only winning formula of the un-American GOP is a sure winning way to hell, and that goes for their hell bound supporters too among them who haven't made to hell yet on their treasonous, rancid and defiled bodies and souls of that journey.

Oh go burn down some more black owned businesses you antifaggot pos.