GOP winning formula: CHEAT!

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You didn't answer his question, so I seriously doubt if you "get" anything. You do know that even with medical insurance from private or gov't entities, there are STILL medical needs and procedures that are NOT covered, right? If not, then you need to get out more and talk to people outside of your circle jerk....and read multiple news sources to get a decent conclusion, because NewsMax and the Murdoch media ain't cutting it.

you fuckwits think that what is happening is that insurance is being cancelled........obviously you haven't got a clue what Georgia has proposed....

Prove it. Another right wing wonk like yourself made this claim. Facts please...because last time I checked, the commercials for various health insurance companies sure as hell have increased....the bottom of the screen always saying "not affiliated with government Medicare".

I want facts from you, because your calling everyone "fukwits" and such does not validate your consistent asserting things you cannot factually (let alone logically) prove.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
The article points out that Kemp's proposal doesn't work. .

/shrugs.....fuck the opinion of the author of the OP......thanks for playing.....

Once again, you avoid FACTS presented in favor of your revisionist rhetoric. The article documented with sources that actually do the work/research. Kemp's proposal misses the mark in addressing certain details, as shown. Willfully ignorant wonks like you could care less so long as nothing affects you personally.

Yeah, you've met your right wing troll quota today...so collect your check and go away...because regurgitating the SOS just doesn't cut it for the rational, objective reader.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No, I support as much access to healthcare as possible, so healthcare can be customized for the personal level.

then you're an idiot for supporting the cancelling of Georgia's waiver........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Prove it. Another right wing wonk like yourself made this claim. Facts please...because last time I check, the commercials for various health insurance companies sure as hell have increased....the bottom of the screen always saying "not affiliated with government Medicare".

I want facts from you, because your calling everyone "fukwits" and such does not validate your consistent asserting things you cannot factually (let alone logically) prove.

fuckwits like you support cancelling Georgia's waiver even though you know nothing about what they proposed to do........all you know is Trump granted it so you "know" you're against it........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Once again, you avoid FACTS presented in favor of your revisionist rhetoric. The article documented with sources that actually do the work/research.

nope....the article made assumptions on political grounds.....you fuckwits never have facts.....

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Prove it. Another right wing wonk like yourself made this claim. Facts please...because last time I check, the commercials for various health insurance companies sure as hell have increased....the bottom of the screen always saying "not affiliated with government Medicare".

I want facts from you, because your calling everyone "fukwits" and such does not validate your consistent asserting things you cannot factually (let alone logically) prove

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fuckwits like you support cancelling Georgia's waiver even though you know nothing about what they proposed to do........all you know is Trump granted it so you "know" you're against it........

As the reader can see, this neo-Nazi/Christo-fascist clown made a statement that he CANNOT factually prove.

In short, he's a liar.

But rather than concede a point, he'll blow all types of smoke and try to shift the conversation with all types of other claims that he can't factually substantiate.

This is why I have the dunce on IA most of the time, because essentially he just wastes time and space while he collects his troll check from JPP or where ever.

He's done.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Once again, you avoid FACTS presented in favor of your revisionist rhetoric. The article documented with sources that actually do the work/research.

nope....the article made assumptions on political grounds.....you fuckwits never have facts.....

You're a liar, as my quote demonstrates.

I swear, you are either fucking stupid, a piss poor right wing troll picking up a check or both. I mean, to deny what the chronology of the posts shows is sheer stupidity or an new level insipid stubbornness. Post #11.

You're done, clown. Run-a-long and repeat your self aggrandizing BS and disproved crap.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You're a liar, as my quote demonstrates.

I swear, you are either fucking stupid, a piss poor right wing troll picking up a check or both. I mean, to deny what the chronology of the posts shows is sheer stupidity or an new level insipid stubbornness. Post #11.

You're done, clown. Run-a-long and repeat your self aggrandizing BS and disproved crap.

the guy who wrote post #11 was a mindless political hack......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

neo-Nazi/Christo-fascist

oh look.....the mindless cunt has flicked his flying fickle finger of fascism and abandoned the thread......

 

[Code1211]

Proof please?

One of the things that i like about a debate board of this type is that I'm forced to look things up.

My statement reflected, I think, outdated information, but information is hard to find on this.

Insurance Companies are a little like the undead in movies in that they simply don't die. That said, the profitability of insurance companies dropped following the passage of the ACA and insurance companies were simply leaving the exchanges.

https://thenewamerican.com/health-insurers-going-broke-thanks-to-obamacare-2/

Then, things changed and by 2018, Health insurance company income was not only up, it had more than doubled.

https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/health-insurance-companies-us/

The ACA evolved to allow the insurance Companies to increase their profits and they seem to have done so. The current industry revenues are over a Trillion dollars annually.

The graph in the link below shows the increases to health insurance premiums paid by customers. The premiums paid have increased by very similar margins every year to date since 1999. The ACA seems to not have had much of an impact on the premiums paid.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/health-insurance-premiums.aspx

 

[Taichiliberal]

One of the things that i like about a debate board of this type is that I'm forced to look things up.

My statement reflected, I think, outdated information, but information is hard to find on this.

Insurance Companies are a little like the undead in movies in that they simply don't die. That said, the profitability of insurance companies dropped following the passage of the ACA and insurance companies were simply leaving the exchanges.

https://thenewamerican.com/health-insurers-going-broke-thanks-to-obamacare-2/

Then, things changed and by 2018, Health insurance company income was not only up, it had more than doubled.

https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/health-insurance-companies-us/

The ACA evolved to allow the insurance Companies to increase their profits and they seem to have done so. The current industry revenues are over a Trillion dollars annually.

The graph in the link below shows the increases to health insurance premiums paid by customers. The premiums paid have increased by very similar margins every year to date since 1999. The ACA seems to not have had much of an impact on the premiums paid.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/health-insurance-premiums.aspx

So when all is said and done, you were wrong. As for premiums https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/

Bottom line: The ACA is not a cure all, but a hell of a lot more employed folk sure as hell prefer it to the old standard (where many didn't have adequate insurance, if any at all).

 

[gemini104104]

Since its inception, the Affordable Care Act has been in the crosshairs of the GOP at the behest of their insurance lobby masters.
They couldn't do it by legal vote in Congress, and individual Red States do their damnedest to block or reduce it's effectiveness. Here's the latest attempt that was thwarted by the President (one of the few wholly positive thing he's done so far, IMHO)

Biden suspends Gov. Kemp’s attempt to block ACA site from hundreds of thousands of Georgia residents

A plan by Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp to block residents from gaining access to health insurance via the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace has been suspended by a very sensible President Joe Biden.

Kemp obviously doesn’t care about the 700,000 Georgians who signed up for coverage through the marketplace.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...urce=rss&utm_medium=Sendible&utm_campaign=RSS

Actually the winning formula of the un-American, insurrectionist and taxpayer pilfering GOP swine basically amounts to a wining formula for all of the repuke creatures for their bodies and souls as a disgrace to their High Maker God Almighty to burn hell forever, and ever before hopefully encountering the force of Justice against themselves.

 

[Callinectes]

What do you think happens when someone does not have coverage?

They get medical care and the government pays for it. You remember that ass clown from MIT? The architect of obamacare? *short break to google the asshole's name* Annnnnnd we're back....jonathan gruber. Remember what he said? He said that the "ACA" was a clusterfuck that passed due to the stupidity of the American voter. He was talking about YOU, chump.

 

[Code1211]

So when all is said and done, you were wrong. As for premiums https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/

Bottom line: The ACA is not a cure all, but a hell of a lot more employed folk sure as hell prefer it to the old standard (where many didn't have adequate insurance, if any at all).

Regarding your first comment, apparently so. As I said, I enjoy learning.

Regarding your second comment, it most certainly is NOT a cure all.

Before the ACA, We were told that there were 30 million Americans that were uninsured. The ACA, according to this source, has reduced that number to 28.9 Million in 2018.

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/
<snip>
How many people are uninsured?
For the third year in a row, the number of uninsured increased in 2019. In 2019, 28.9 million nonelderly individuals were uninsured, an increase of more than one million from 2018.
<snip>

The cost to the premium payers is pretty extreme for many and the additional cost born by the Federal Government are also extreme.

Horror stories about individual ACA policies are well known. Finding out exactly what part of medicaid spending is attributable to the ACA is difficult.

https://www.macpac.gov/subtopic/state-and-federal-spending-under-the-aca/

Even WITH the subsidies from the government, though, This source says the premiums have doubled as measured in 2021.

https://www.benefitspro.com/2021/03...he-individual-market/?slreturn=20220405083832
<snip>
The Affordable Care Act (ACA) has more than doubled health insurance cost for some Americans, a new analysis from the Heritage Foundation said. The report concludes that eleven years after the ACA, Americans who buy health insurance on the ACA individual market are worse off financially then before the health reform law was passed.
<snip>

Is there a problem with the cost of health insurance? Yes.

Does it need to be addressed? Yes.

Is the ACA the answer? Pretty obviously, no.

Here in Indiana, we have the Healthy Indiana Plan (HIP) which is a Medicaid program aimed at those who cannot afford insurance. It really works pretty well and probably should be a model others.

It is income tested and the premiums are low or nothing.

It seems like the help, if needed, should go to the folks who need the help and not burden unfairly those who don't need the help.

Also seems like the help should actually remedy the problem we were told it was aimed at.

 

[Walt]

They get medical care and the government pays for it.

No, if you do not have coverage, you can only get emergency care. The government will offer some types of coverage, like Medicare and Medicaid, but does not just pay for medical care, if there is no coverage.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
So when all is said and done, you were wrong. As for premiums https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/

Bottom line: The ACA is not a cure all, but a hell of a lot more employed folk sure as hell prefer it to the old standard (where many didn't have adequate insurance, if any at all).

Regarding your first comment, apparently so. As I said, I enjoy learning.

Regarding your second comment, it most certainly is NOT a cure all.

Before the ACA, We were told that there were 30 million Americans that were uninsured. The ACA, according to this source, has reduced that number to 28.9 Million in 2018.

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/
<snip>
How many people are uninsured?
For the third year in a row, the number of uninsured increased in 2019. In 2019, 28.9 million nonelderly individuals were uninsured, an increase of more than one million from 2018.
<snip>

The cost to the premium payers is pretty extreme for many and the additional cost born by the Federal Government are also extreme.

Horror stories about individual ACA policies are well known. Finding out exactly what part of medicaid spending is attributable to the ACA is difficult.

https://www.macpac.gov/subtopic/state-and-federal-spending-under-the-aca/

Even WITH the subsidies from the government, though, This source says the premiums have doubled as measured in 2021.

https://www.benefitspro.com/2021/03...he-individual-market/?slreturn=20220405083832
<snip>
The Affordable Care Act (ACA) has more than doubled health insurance cost for some Americans, a new analysis from the Heritage Foundation said. The report concludes that eleven years after the ACA, Americans who buy health insurance on the ACA individual market are worse off financially then before the health reform law was passed.
<snip>

Is there a problem with the cost of health insurance? Yes.

Does it need to be addressed? Yes.

Is the ACA the answer? Pretty obviously, no.

Here in Indiana, we have the Healthy Indiana Plan (HIP) which is a Medicaid program aimed at those who cannot afford insurance. It really works pretty well and probably should be a model others.

It is income tested and the premiums are low or nothing.

It seems like the help, if needed, should go to the folks who need the help and not burden unfairly those who don't need the help.

Also seems like the help should actually remedy the problem we were told it was aimed at.

You're propaganda like approach is 2nd rate, my friend. Case in point from your first link: in spite of the recent increases, the number of uninsured individuals remains well below levels prior to enactment of the ACA. The number of uninsured nonelderly individuals dropped from more than 46.5 million in 2010 to fewer than 26.7 million in 2016 before climbing to 28.9 million individuals in 2019. We focus on coverage among nonelderly people since Medicare offers near universal coverage for the elderly, with just 407,000, or less than 1%, of people over age 65 uninsured.

- Despite these increases, the uninsured rate in 2019 remained significantly below pre-ACA levels.

That's just a primary example of your "learning"...seems you "learn" what suits your beliefs or pre-conceived notions, then you just ignore, dismiss, or delete what you don't like.

Logic dictates that if the ACA was as you say, not a positive answer to the medical coverage situation, then there would be no need for the attempted actions as described in the OP. Clearly, the right wing is trying to create a reality that does not exist. Despite your unfounded personal attitude, people in general are not stupid. Many do not vote against their own interest, nor do they settle for a situation that does not suit their needs...hence the number of folk in the OP signing up for the ACA.

To date, when you hash through all the BS, the status quo has no viable alternative, and essentially revisits the situation pre-ACA days.

That wasn't cutting it. Deal with it.

 

[Sailor]

33 million plus of the truly needy in this country cannot get on Obamacare. It is a failure like anyone that thinks it is working.

 

[Taichiliberal]

33 million plus of the truly needy in this country cannot get on Obamacare. It is a failure like anyone that thinks it is working.

Ahh, but you must remember that the ACA WAS THE BEST DEAL THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA COULD GET PAST REPUBLICAN BLOCKING.

What you allude to is universal health care, which the GOP was going to throw itself in front of a bus to keep from coming to the floor, much less passing in either House.

If you pull a paycheck in a fair sized company, you can get ACA if it's better than what the boss offers (if they'd offer anything at all).

 

[Lightbringer]

You do not think people in Georgia would need medical care like a normal state? Why only ACA and Medicaid? Why not Medicare?

Why aren't Republicans arguing that old people in Georgia should not get medical care like in a normal state? If "molding" access to medical care to "needs of the state" is so important, wouldn't it also be important for old people too?

But to answer PMS's question. I do not think access to medical care should be "molded" to the "needs of the state", but rather molded to the needs of the patient. If the state of Georgia needs there to be fewer old people, that should be the state's problem, not the old people's problem.

The problem with that is that the "old person" is not the customer, the state is. And you support the system that makes the state the customer. Because you're a dumbass.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I'll toss in one of those "horror stories" I just got fixed last month. My mother (94) and has mild Alzheimer's, during the last open season for Medicare got bombarded by mail and phone calls from "providers" who wanted her to sign up for additional coverage. Not recognizing she didn't need such coverage, she ended up being put on two plans that took me nearly a month to get cancelled.
Medicare--the government--told me when I called to complain that direction that they don't track employer insurance plans for people on Medicare, only supplemental plans approved by Medicare. My mom had survivor benefits on an employee plan my father had so she already had 100% coverage.
Aetna was pretty easy about cancelling their coverage when I got a hold of them. Humana on the other hand fought tooth and nail to keep her on their plan and it took weeks of fighting with them to end coverage (I told them she wasn't going to pay and that being POA on her bank accounts I'd blocked all withdrawals to their company). They weren't happy about that and finally agreed to drop the coverage once they realized they weren't getting paid.