GOP Says: Trump isn't corrupt, just incompetent

Asked to describe Trump, America’s most common replies are ‘idiot’ and ‘incompetent’

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The most common responses, in order:
1. idiot, 39 times
2. incompetent, 31 times
3. liar, 30 times

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Micawber said:
Consciousness of guilt is easy to find. Each attempt was made when they were alone at the specual instance and request of Trump.

The only defense is whether the potus is above the law.

More elegantly, the legal question is : can the president use his power of office to pressure a sitting FBI director to stop an active criminal investigation of potus' former employee using extortionate implied threats of termination, and upon failing effort, then attempt to halt the investigation by following through on those threats by actual termination both as punishment for failing to comply and to alter the course of the investigation directly by removal of the leader of it.

If the answer is yes, Trump skates, if no, he can be indicted and jailed and impeached.
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Yes. Constitutionally, a President can halt an investigation and he can fire anybody he wants to at any time for any reason or no reason. Presidents have been doing that for ages.
 
Amadeus said:
I would say that Putin is very competent at what he does. He hoodwinked Bush and Trump, and probably got the better of Obama. Problem is, it's easier to be a villain than a hero in a liberal democracy vs. a dictatorship or oligarchy. Putin doesn't have to worry about human rights, the will of his people, freedom of the press, political opponents, etc.
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domer76 said:
From what I understand, the legal experts indicate he cannot be indicted. It's an obvious obstruction of justice, but legally, he can get away with it. With the Republican House, impeachment is also off the table. For now.
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Not all the legal experts. There is no on point scotus precedent that can be pointed to. This case will be distinguishable from past instances of presidential abuse. Also, Trump used weasel words worthy of any mafia "don" but absolutely clear to anyone who has been around the block or seen any bad movies.
Two scenarios

1. Guy walks into a bar and says to beautiful women I hope you will suck my dick in the back alley by that dumpster.

2. Boss calls secretary in and says he hopes she will suck his dick under the desk, and asks if she would like to keep her job.


Both are reprehensible, but situation #2 far more so. It's flat out extortion and abuse of authority, and is on all fours with Trump's actions towards Comey, as he testified under oath.

So the question is whether the President of the United states has the absolute privilege to ask the director of the FBI to suck his dick under the desk or he will be fired. If the answer is Yes, he skates.

His consciousness of guilt is that he insisted on being alone, both to increase the likelihood of success, to shield and protect others from being party to his nefarious proposition and to prevent there being witnesses to a crime.
 
Micawber said:
Not all the legal experts. There is no on point scotus precedent that can be pointed to. This case will be distinguishable from past instances of presidential abuse. Also, Trump used weasel words worthy of any mafia "don" but absolutely clear to anyone who has been around the block or seen any bad movies.
Two scenarios

1. Guy walks into a bar and says to beautiful women I hope you will suck my dick in the back alley by that dumpster.

2. Boss calls secretary in and says he hopes she will suck his dick under the desk, and asks if she would like to keep her job.


Both are reprehensible, but situation #2 far more so. It's flat out extortion and abuse of authority, and is on all fours with Trump's actions towards Comey, as he testified under oath.

So the question is whether the President of the United states has the absolute privilege to ask the director of the FBI to suck his dick under the desk or he will be fired. If the answer is Yes, he skates.

His consciousness of guilt is that he insisted on being alone, both to increase the likelihood of success, to shield others from his nefarious proposition and to prevent there being witnesses to a crime.
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Do try and focus. He can direct the FBI to end an investigation.
 
Stretch said:
Yes. Constitutionally, a President can halt an investigation and he can fire anybody he wants to at any time for any reason or no reason. Presidents have been doing that for ages.
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Make the argument using text and case law, Dershowitz parrot. Can you fucking think for yourself?
 
Micawber said:
Not all the legal experts. There is no on point scotus precedent that can be pointed to. This case will be distinguishable from past instances of presidential abuse. Also, Trump used weasel words worthy of any mafia "don" but absolutely clear to anyone who has been around the block or seen any bad movies.
Two scenarios

1. Guy walks into a bar and says to beautiful women I hope you will suck my dick in the back alley by that dumpster.

2. Boss calls secretary in and says he hopes she will suck his dick under the desk, and asks if she would like to keep her job.


Both are reprehensible, but situation #2 far more so. It's flat out extortion and abuse of authority, and is on all fours with Trump's actions towards Comey, as he testified under oath.

So the question is whether the President of the United states has the absolute privilege to ask the director of the FBI to suck his dick under the desk or he will be fired. If the answer is Yes, he skates.

His consciousness of guilt is that he insisted on being alone, both to increase the likelihood of success, to shield and protect others from being party to his nefarious proposition and to prevent there being witnesses to a crime.
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There is no doubt in my mind that he abused his office and endeavored to obstruct justice.
 
Stretch said:
Yes. Constitutionally, a President can halt an investigation and he can fire anybody he wants to at any time for any reason or no reason. Presidents have been doing that for ages.
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Presidents can't fire people to cover up their own corruption.
 
anatta said:
correct. that would be obstruction of justice..there has to be a 'corruptive' influence' in there as a motive
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17 intel agencies say Russia hacked our elections to help trumpy



if hes not guilty of helping them then he should release his taxes
 
'Morning Joe's' Mika Brzezinski Isn't Having Any of Paul Ryan's Pathetic Excuses for

'Morning Joe's' Mika Brzezinski Isn't Having Any of Paul Ryan's Pathetic Excuses for Trump

"Don't say he's new at this—you're acting like he can learn."

MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski hammered House Speaker Paul Ryan and other Republicans who are risking their careers and reputations for President Donald Trump.

The “Morning Joe” co-host urged GOP lawmakers to abandon the president, who she has questioned as unfit for office in a variety of ways — and getting worse.

“Why would you walk the plank for someone who has over and over and over again — to the point where there’s no other option, that he’s going to bully you, he’s going to betray you, he’s going to lie to you and he’s going to undermine you with a tweet the minute you think you’re getting anywhere?” Brzezinski said.

She shamed Ryan, who defended the president in the face of former FBI director James Comey’s testimony by arguing Trump was a political neophyte.

“I wouldn’t do this, I’m begging you not to do this,” Brzezinski said. “Don’t say he’s new at this — you’re acting like he can learn. Let’s take a look at the past six months, and anyone name a moment when this president has evolved in any way.”

“If anything, what you have seen is someone who has devolved, who has really turned himself into a complete — I think he called the media, like turning themselves into a pretzel when he would make fun of them,” she continued. “I’m not trying to be funny. He has literally devolved to the point where there is concern about his health or about his ability to take in information and use it correctly. It’s like a child, almost.”

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