Goodbye everyone...

[WRL]

darla recently decided it would be a hoot to post an unauthorized picture of a wounded Marine in some anti military rant, that is one of the most dispicable, and low class things I've seen since the code pink protesters at Walter Reed. I refuse to particiate in anything that allows or uses pictures of wounded Vets, without their consent, to be propagandizied, politicized, or exploited in such a manor, and so I will be parting company with the community for now.

[ame="http://justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=11536"]Thinking of enlisting - Just Plain Politics![/ame]

I know I've butted heads with many here, but I've always tried to bring my philosophies, and ideals, with links and back them up with rigorous debate. We may not always agree on things, but I want most of you to know, and you who you are, I've known many of you for years now, and I don't do this easily, but Goodbye.

Thank you Damo, for providing the community.

WRL

 

[Cancel7]

Damo, this is pathetic of you to even post what you did, over this fucking hack.

I thought it might be someone who actually mattered, like Soc.

Jesus christ, what a joke.

 

[Cancel3]

Seems like an over-reaction. From the looks of the photo it was a news photo of a soldier receiving a medal.

If you want to leave then do so. Making a scene about it seems an attempt to manipulate the situation.

There are two sides to this argument. One talks about the honor and glory of serving your country. The other talks about the deaths and maiming of young men. Its the way its always been. There is nothing new here. To claim righteous indignation because the soldier did not give his permission is just sanctimonious bullshit.

 

[WRL]

Say that to a Marine and see what happens.

 

[Damocles]

Damo, this is pathetic of you to even post what you did, over this fucking hack.

I thought it might be someone who actually mattered, like Soc.

Jesus christ, what a joke.

I've "known" WRL since before Bush was ever elected. We may not perfectly agree but we are certainly friends.

Whether you like him or not, I don't like losing posters because of crap like this.

 

[Cancel7]

Seems like an over-reaction. From the looks of the photo it was a news photo of a soldier receiving a medal.

If you want to leave then do so. Making a scene about it seems an attempt to manipulate the situation.

There are two sides to this argument. One talks about the honor and glory of serving your country. The other talks about the deaths and maiming of young men. Its the way its always been. There is nothing new here. To claim righteous indignation because the soldier did not give his permission is just sanctimonious bullshit.

Sad to say, that solidier is dead. He recently died of his wounds, after many operations. So there is no way to get his permission, which he probably would not give.

 

[Cancel7]

I've "known" WRL since before Bush was ever elected. We may not perfectly agree but we are certainly friends.

Whether you like him or not, I don't like losing posters because of crap like this.

So delete the picture and block me Damo.

 

[Cancel7]

Say that to a Marine and see what happens.

Would he kill me? Is that how marines fight for our freedom? What would he do to me WRL? Be specific.

 

[WRL]

Sad to say, that solidier is dead. He recently died of his wounds, after many operations. So there is no way to get his permission, which he probably would not give.

And you used it anyway, which is the lowest, trashiest, most despicable thing one could do, that man suffered and gave all for this country, and you can't even give him the decency of not propagandizing his wounds.

 

[WRL]

Would he kill me? Is that how marines fight for our freedom? What would he do to me WRL? Be specific.

You dishonor the wounded or dead around and Soldiers or Marines, and you might want a vanishing cloak.

 

[Cancel3]

I would be happy to say that to a marine. I would say it to a soldier, sailor or airman as well. I am not slurring any of those fine branches of our military.

And just as an FYI, I proudly display my own honorable discharge.

My post was not about anyone but you. There was no slur on that wounded marine (he subsequently died, I believe).

You think its terrible for someone to use his image to make sure a potential enlistee is aware of what could happen? You think we should hide the wounded and dead from enlistees so they will only see the shiny medals and crisp uniforms? Sorry sparky, but that ain't the whole picture.

Yes, there is a great deal of honor in serving your country. To be part of a long tradition of men and women who were prepared to die to serve is a noble thing.

But there is another side. That side is young men and women dying thousands of miles from home. It is blood spilled on foreign soil. It is families grieving for the loss of a loved one. And that loss and those deaths had damn well better be worth it. A politician who is willing to send those young men & women to die for anything less than our safety should be drawn and quartered.

You bitch and moan about this soldier's picture being posted. He willingly posed for this picture.

My father-in-law was spit on when he returned from Vietnam. No parades, no speeches by politicians, and no band playing when he got off the plane. Just a handful of protesters spitting and calling him "baby-killer".


Oh there are reasons to be mad. But this is not one of them.

Leave if you want, but don't try and make it sound like you are taking the high moral ground. And don't talk to me like I am some pimply faced kid without a clue. I served. My family served. I have dear friends who never returned from their service. I know the price paid, and its a dear one. But anyone who thinks that the young men CHOOSING to serve should do so without seeing the worst their service may offer is just trying to bullshit the enlistees. And worst of all, trying to bullshit themselves.

 

[WRL]

So delete the picture and block me Damo.

Why don't you have a little dignity, self respect, and honor, and remove it yourself.

 

[Cancel7]

And you used it anyway, which is the lowest, trashiest, most despicable thing one could do, that man suffered and gave all for this country, and you can't even give him the decency of not propagandizing his wounds.

Showing them is propagandizing them? The cold hard fact is, he got those wounds due directly to propaganda. He'd be alive today if it wasn't for Bush's propaganda, and useful idiots like yourself.

Hiding deaths from this war is propaganda. Hiding wounds from this war is propaganda. Hiding caskets is propaganda. You have swallowed more propaganda, and dissemated more of it, than anyone on this board, save Dixie, so don't you ever wave your finger in my face.

 

[Cancel7]

Why don't you have a little dignity, self respect, and honor, and remove it yourself.

I think that Bush, and his poopaganda acolytes, such as yourself, have cleansed enough of the misery out of this war, so that Joe American can go about their life without thinking about who is suffering and how much, on account of this lie of a war.

I wouldn't dream of contributing to that white wash.

 

[Cancel7]

You dishonor the wounded or dead around and Soldiers or Marines, and you might want a vanishing cloak.

So your position is that the United State Marines, would murder me for posting a picture of a wounded marine? This is your freedom?

 

[Damocles]

So delete the picture and block me Damo.

Strawman and whiney pre-victimization.

Pretense with no support whatsoever. When have I ever done that? Where did I suggest it happen?

See Cypress? THIS is an insult. Not your silly little "you're gay" posts. This is how you hurt somebody. You reject all you know about them and hit them where their principles have always proven to lie.

 

[Cancel3]

Darla, don't you DARE remove that picture. That marine was not ashamed of his service or his scars.

Darla was not making fun of that soldier or his wounds. In fact, I would suggest she has shown more reverence and respect for his wounds than your rants do. She was showing another young man was may happen to him. If he still joins he will do so fully aware of what has happened to those who went before him. She used that honorable young man's image as a sobering reality. She used it so that a man would not volunteer to die for a $40k enlistment bonus.

But you want to hide that noble soldier's sacrifice from all views except perhaps a veteran's memorial.


Tell you what, when ANY marine serves, he serves to protect our rights. But you want to limit Darla's because you disagree with her. So you, more than Darla, cheapen that soldier's service and sacrifice.

 

[Cancel7]

Strawman and whiney pre-victimization.

Pretense with no support whatsoever. When have I ever done that? Where did I suggest it happen?

See Cypress? THIS is an insult. Not your silly little "you're gay" posts. This is how you hurt somebody. You reject all you know about them and hit them where their principles have always proven to lie.

Oh geez, ok Camille, I'm sorry.

 

[WRL]

I would be happy to say that to a marine. I would say it to a soldier, sailor or airman as well. I am not slurring any of those fine branches of our military.

And just as an FYI, I proudly display my own honorable discharge.

My post was not about anyone but you. There was no slur on that wounded marine (he subsequently died, I believe).

You think its terrible for someone to use his image to make sure a potential enlistee is aware of what could happen? You think we should hide the wounded and dead from enlistees so they will only see the shiny medals and crisp uniforms? Sorry sparky, but that ain't the whole picture.

Yes, there is a great deal of honor in serving your country. To be part of a long tradition of men and women who were prepared to die to serve is a noble thing.

But there is another side. That side is young men and women dying thousands of miles from home. It is blood spilled on foreign soil. It is families grieving for the loss of a loved one. And that loss and those deaths had damn well better be worth it. A politician who is willing to send those young men & women to die for anything less than our safety should be drawn and quartered.

You bitch and moan about this soldier's picture being posted. He willingly posed for this picture.

My father-in-law was spit on when he returned from Vietnam. No parades, no speeches by politicians, and no band playing when he got off the plane. Just a handful of protesters spitting and calling him "baby-killer".


Oh there are reasons to be mad. But this is not one of them.

Leave if you want, but don't try and make it sound like you are taking the high moral ground. And don't talk to me like I am some pimply faced kid without a clue. I served. My family served. I have dear friends who never returned from their service. I know the price paid, and its a dear one. But anyone who thinks that the young men CHOOSING to serve should do so without seeing the worst their service may offer is just trying to bullshit the enlistees. And worst of all, trying to bullshit themselves.

That was a picture of him getting promoted, which is standard, which any vet would know, I thought you said you where a vet, and it wasn't authorized to be used in Anti-Military propaganda. Using wounded vets in unauthorized manors, in propaganda, is the lowest of the low.

 

[Cancel7]

Darla, don't you DARE remove that picture. That marine was not ashamed of his service or his scars.

Darla was not making fun of that soldier or his wounds. In fact, I would suggest she has shown more reverence and respect for his wounds than your rants do. She was showing another young man was may happen to him. If he still joins he will do so fully aware of what has happened to those who went before him. She used that honorable young man's image as a sobering reality. She used it so that a man would not volunteer to die for a $40k enlistment bonus.

But you want to hide that noble soldier's sacrifice from all views except perhaps a veteran's memorial.


Tell you what, when ANY marine serves, he serves to protect our rights. But you want to limit Darla's because you disagree with her. So you, more than Darla, cheapen that soldier's service and sacrifice.

I actually do know that most Marines wouldn't murder me for that, in case you think I really belive that about them. I don't.